On Pointe Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 1 hour ago, vipa said: Personally, I think it means that social media makes it easy to sign petitions for whatever cause one wants, and feel like a crusader for doing it. In any event no one gets fired from a union gig because of a petition. Indeed - and the producers have already stated their support for Ramasar. It isn't clear if there is any outcome that would satisfy Waterbury. She wants to end Ramasar's career, she wants Maxwell to walk away from NYCB and break up with Ramasar, she wants monetary compensation from NYCB and Catazaro and Longhitano, who did not see photos of her or mention her name. She has stated that "somebody has to pay" for what was done to her, but she's forgiven the actual perpetrator. Waterbury seems to derive great psychic income from this whole thing, as if bringing down members of NYCB puts her on their professional level. That may end up being her greatest reward. Link to comment
canbelto Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 6 minutes ago, On Pointe said: Indeed - and the producers have already stated their support for Ramasar. It isn't clear if there is any outcome that would satisfy Waterbury. She wants to end Ramasar's career, she wants Maxwell to walk away from NYCB and break up with Ramasar, she wants monetary compensation from NYCB and Catazaro and Longhitano, who did not see photos of her or mention her name. She has stated that "somebody has to pay" for what was done to her, but she's forgiven the actual perpetrator. Waterbury seems to derive great psychic income from this whole thing, as if bringing down members of NYCB puts her on their professional level. That may end up being her greatest reward. Ugh. I hate this. Waterbury is not a perfect victim. She's mad and acting out and not being thoughtful about the things she says. But that is all part of the healing process. Link to comment
Helene Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 In the big picture, it doesn't matter what any of us think, because it's not up for a vote. No one has to like anything anyone else says here. Do not discuss the discussion. Link to comment
aurora Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 34 minutes ago, On Pointe said: She has stated that "somebody has to pay" for what was done to her, but she's forgiven the actual perpetrator. Evidence she forgave the actual perpetrator please. I've seen NOTHING that suggests that. Link to comment
Balletwannabe Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 22 minutes ago, aurora said: Evidence she forgave the actual perpetrator please. I've seen NOTHING that suggests that. Yes...and in fact she was quite vocal with several f-bombs in her Instagram story that she was happy he disappeared and lost his job. I didn't sense any forgiveness in her speech. Link to comment
On Pointe Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 (edited) I shouldn't have used the word "forgiven". Waterbury is putting more energy into going after Maxwell and Ramasar because Finlay is not on the scene and she believes that he knows what he did was wrong. Then there's his substance abuse problem, which seems to absolve him of some responsibility. So forgiven is the wrong word, but she doesn't seem to care nearly as much about him as she does the others. Instead of working through her anger, Waterbury seems to be escalating. I don't blame Maxwell for recording her calls. Edited February 6, 2020 by On Pointe Correction Link to comment
nubka Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 26 minutes ago, On Pointe said: I shouldn't have used the word "forgiven". Waterbury is putting more energy into going after Waterbury and Ramasar because Finlay is not on the scene and she believes that he knows what he did was wrong. Then there's his substance abuse problem, which seems to absolve him of some responsibility. So forgiven is the wrong word, but she doesn't seem to care nearly as much about him as she does the others. Instead of working through her anger, Waterbury seems to be escalating. I don't blame Maxwell for recording her calls. Waterbury and Ramasar? Link to comment
On Pointe Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 18 hours ago, nubka said: Waterbury and Ramasar? Maxwell and Ramasar, of course! Link to comment
vagansmom Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 Ok, since some people felt that talking about frontal lobes is diagnosing, I'll rephrase it in common language. Please know that I stated this was my opinion. An opinion is not a diagnosis. I believe that Waterbury is handling this immaturely. Link to comment
nanushka Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 (edited) 54 minutes ago, vagansmom said: Ok, since some people felt that talking about frontal lobes is diagnosing, I'll rephrase it in common language. Please know that I stated this was my opinion. An opinion is not a diagnosis. I believe that Waterbury is handling this immaturely. You are of course entitled to an opinion. I'm not sure I can easily explain (even to myself) why your statement of it left me uncomfortable. It wasn't the terminology, with which I'm familiar. In any case, there are many reasons why Waterbury could be acting in a way that is or seems immature — not all of which are physical. Quite likely it's multidetermined. Edited February 6, 2020 by nanushka Link to comment
canbelto Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 I think it's this societal notion that women are not allowed to express anger. We are shrill, mentally ill, hysterical. But extreme anger as a response to trauma is very common. That anger can become destructive and abusive. But it's one of the most common responses to trauma. Link to comment
canbelto Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 2 hours ago, Leah said: I think that’s a great point. But directing all anger on social media and getting into public arguments online can’t be healthy. And does weaken her image as it does connote with teenage immaturity - probably unfairly more because she is female, I’ll admit. It pollutes the message she is trying to send. You can’t be an effective spokesperson for a cause - which I believe she is trying to do - and just lash out so unreservedly like that. It’s distracting, even if unfairly so. The public fights also really weaken her credibility if she ever testifies in a deposition or at trial. Ramasar’s attorney will probably have a field day with Maxwell exchanges. Anyway, she’s obviously very vulnerable right now. I hope she has a healthy support system that can help her through this and rein her in a bit. I’m very uneasy about her lawyer, especially as he seems to have given her blatantly wrong advice about suing Maxwell over the recorded phone call. I agree that Alexandra's social media comments about Alexa are falling dangerously close to that old saying "abuse is a cycle." She seems to be directing so much of her anger at Alexa who so far hasn't said anything demeaning back to Alexandra. However I do think the cultural expectations for girls to play nice even when they're angry is at force here. Think about all the hoopla about Nancy Pelosi rather angrily tearing up Trump's SOTU address yet Trump's daily twitter rants don't even merit a mention on CNN anymore. Link to comment
cubanmiamiboy Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 15 hours ago, canbelto said: Think about all the hoopla about Nancy Pelosi rather angrily tearing up Trump's SOTU address yet Trump's daily twitter rants don't even merit a mention on CNN anymore. 🤔 Link to comment
Quiggin Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 15 hours ago, canbelto said: However I do think the cultural expectations for girls to play nice even when they're angry is at force here. Think about all the hoopla about Nancy Pelosi rather angrily tearing up Trump's SOTU address yet Trump's daily twitter rants don't even merit a mention on CNN anymore. A brilliant moment of theater, in quiet counterpoint to all the big action (Ralph Edwards, Dale Carnegie etc) happening in front – like an actor who does so much with so little. A brief intrusion of the real. Link to comment
cubanmiamiboy Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 1 hour ago, Quiggin said: A brilliant moment of theater, in quiet counterpoint to all the big action (Ralph Edwards, Dale Carnegie etc) happening in front – like an actor who does so much with so little. A brief intrusion of the real. 🤔 Link to comment
On Pointe Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 According to commenters on the Broadway World website, all comments on West Side Story regarding Ramasar, Maxwell, and Waterbury have been deleted. One commenter suggested that the language used by some was so ugly that trying to police it was becoming too onerous. Apparently the comments have been removed from Waterbury 's Instagram as well. Link to comment
Helene Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 A little later for an entirely predictable situation, but a good thing, nonetheless. Link to comment
canbelto Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 Alexandra's IG stories are full of drama. Again. At this point I do agree her lawyers should advise her to take a break from social media. She's threatening to get Alexa Maxwell arrested for supposedly impersonating someone via email. People are now going to Alexa's IG to harass her about this fake email account. Link to comment
bluejean Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 (edited) I have no in-depth knowledge of the law, but understand that many of you are educated in this area. My question is: at what point does Alexa have grounds for some kind of civil defamation suit against Alexandra? Or does she? Trying to put myself in Alexa's shoes here, though obviously that's impossible, and feeling like I would want to seek some legal solution to keep Alexandra from attacking me all over the internet.... Edited February 19, 2020 by bluejean typo Link to comment
cubanmiamiboy Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 13 hours ago, canbelto said: Alexandra's IG stories are full of drama. Again. At this point I do agree her lawyers should advise her to take a break from social media. She's threatening to get Alexa Maxwell arrested for supposedly impersonating someone via email. People are now going to Alexa's IG to harass her about this fake email account. I don't even know have to use IG, but I have an old account. How can I see all this ..? Do I have to follow her to do so....? Is there a link to the drama....? Link to comment
Balletwannabe Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 Her IG: https://instagram.com/alexandra_waterbury?igshid=5qj7habr53r1 She received a positive comment on one of her posts from Natalie Portman! She must be loving that. Link to comment
On Pointe Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 This article in the New York Times makes it clear that at some point in the near future, somebody needs to rein in Alexandra Waterbury and her cohort of protesters. Amar Ramasar's very able counsel points out that they are tossing around terms to the public like "sexual assault" without understanding their meaning or impact. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/19/theater/west-side-story-amar-ramasar.html Link to comment
nanushka Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 15 minutes ago, On Pointe said: This article in the New York Times makes it clear that at some point in the near future, somebody needs to rein in Alexandra Waterbury and her cohort of protesters. Amar Ramasar's very able counsel points out that they are tossing around terms to the public like "sexual assault" without understanding their meaning or impact. Does this (below) represent a viable legal threat? Quote Last Thursday, as protesters chanted, a middle-aged man en route to the show said he did not know what the demonstration was about. One of the protesters told him that a cast member had “sexually assaulted” someone, an overstatement of the sort that Ms. Maxwell said led her to decide to publicly defend Mr. Ramasar. Mr. Gotko, Mr. Ramasar’s lawyer, complained that the protesters were “tossing off words and phrases like they have no meaning whatsoever.” Link to comment
On Pointe Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 I 47 minutes ago, nanushka said: Does this (below) represent a viable legal threat? What do you mean by the term "legal threat"? I hope that the parents of the high school girl who has whipped up this protest have explained to her that making false accusations against someone could land her in serious trouble. At this point she may not even be the main instigator, but she's the one whose name is in the New York Times. A cease and desist letter is certainly in order. Link to comment
nanushka Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 (edited) 44 minutes ago, On Pointe said: What do you mean by the term "legal threat"? I hope that the parents of the high school girl who has whipped up this protest have explained to her that making false accusations against someone could land her in serious trouble. At this point she may not even be the main instigator, but she's the one whose name is in the New York Times. A cease and desist letter is certainly in order. Sorry, yes, I should have explained my question better. You described Ramasar's lawyer as being "very able," and in the portion of the article I quoted he is described as "complain[ing]" that the protestors are "tossing off words and phrases like they have no meaning whatsoever." Do those complaints have potential legal force? You seem to suggest that Waterbury and/or Levy (who I take to be the high school girl you're referencing) are liable for the impact of the words of one or more of the other protestors and that "somebody needs to rein [them] in." (Neither Waterbury nor Levy seems to have been the one who used the term "sexual assault," as cited in the article.) My question was what Ramasar's lawyer can legally do to stop (or seek compensation for) what's happening and specifically whether there's a strong case that Waterbury and/or Levy are indeed legally liable. Edited February 20, 2020 by nanushka Link to comment
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