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The GatesAny site specific choreography?


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#1 Amy Reusch

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Posted 12 February 2005 - 08:54 AM

Looking at the press for Christo & Jeanne-Claude's "The Gates" in NYs Central Park, I can't help wondering if anyone's been tempted to try any site-specific choreography before they're taken down.

The NY Times has a nice overhead photo in it's slideshow. I'm not sure how to put a link here as the URL doesn't appear. If you go to this article there's a link there

'The Gates' Colors Central Park in Saffron


``It's a bit insane, but that's why everybody is here,'' said Ali Naqui, who was brought to the unveiling against his will by his fiancee.

Among the first folks there were 17 fourth-graders from an elementary school in Queens. The group boarded a bus before sunrise and made the trip into Manhattan, where they were suitably impressed by the spectacle.

``It's a waste of money, but it's fabulous,'' said student Shakana Jayson. ``It brings happiness when you look at it.''


I suppose, everyone in Central Park is involved in accidental site-specific choreography?

#2 Farrell Fan

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Posted 12 February 2005 - 03:38 PM

It's the 21st century, I hear, but in Central Park it's the 1970s again, the time of "happenings" and "Fun City," of Mayor John Lindsay and Parks Commissioner Thomas Hoving. It was not a happy time for Central Park, which took years to recover. Presumably, The Gates will do no lasting damage to the park. Christo and Jean-Claude are supposed to disappear and leave not a rack behind. I certainly hope so.

I went to the park today in search of art and solace. I associated the saffron color with lamas and spirituality. Instead, as I approached from the east on 78th Street, I saw what looked like flapping Con Edison banners delineating a construction site. Surely, those weren't The Gates? But they were. They looked a little better from within the park. Walking under that fabric with so many (mostly younger) fellow humans was not unpleasant, but I failed to feel part of something grand and artistic. Instead, it seemed we were imposing on a great New York City treasure to no purpose other than the aggrandizement of the "artists."

As I left I heard one twenty-something say to another, "Awesome!" What else could I have expected her to say? I thought it was awful.

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Posted 12 February 2005 - 03:50 PM

The park is necessary reprieve for New Yorkers who spend so much time cooped up (or, in some cases, co-opped up :angry2: ), giving us the rare opportunity to get a sense of open space. I haven't yet seen the installation, but I imagine it defeats the open feeling.

The aerial photos are fantastic, though. Maybe Christo intended it to be seen from a helicopter.

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Posted 12 February 2005 - 07:01 PM

Walking the dog in the park this morning I was greatly disappointed by 'The Gates.' When you are right in front of a Gate the view is blocked and over by the Sheep Meadow it was too spread out to have an affect.

I think this is something best viewed from the air. Perhaps the roof garden of the Metropolitan Museum of Art would be a good place?

I think some of Christo's other works are more interesting like the wrapping of the Reichstag:

http://intranet.grun.../reichstag2.jpg

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Posted 12 February 2005 - 07:04 PM

Actually, this was just the sort of environment Twyla Tharp would have relished during her days of street theater dance.

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Posted 13 February 2005 - 08:06 AM

I think this is something best viewed from the air.  Perhaps the roof garden of the Metropolitan Museum of Art would be a good place?


Several of my friends are going to the rooftop today to see the Gates. The Met has opened the rooftop (usu. closed at this time of the year) for the next few weeks, so people can view the Gates, acc. the friend who called for info.

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Posted 13 February 2005 - 03:34 PM

I haven't seen it yet, but I will. The color has turned me off, though---it is like the color of the jumpsuits worn by prisoners...... :P

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Posted 13 February 2005 - 04:51 PM

Farrell Fan, I'm sad to hear your report. :P

Never having seen a real life Christo installation, I surely hope to make it in.

I've enjoyed the NY Times articles and the posts I've read here.

For those of us who've never experienced a Christo wrapping et al, it is something I feel I should see.

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Posted 13 February 2005 - 06:04 PM

I cracked up at this quote,

``It's a waste of money, but it's fabulous,'' said student Shakana Jayson. ``It brings happiness when you look at it.''

I can understand that the money might have been used for something else more critical, but how could something that brings happiness in a public space be a waste of money? There's so little of it going around.

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Posted 13 February 2005 - 07:03 PM

A very good point. And further, the shade of orange is not the International Orange of prison jumpsuits. It is more yellow than that, and at least one tint darker. "Saffron" about describes it. It's sort of Wordsworth's "Daffodils" run riot. Nice to have before even the snowdrops are up.

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Posted 14 February 2005 - 04:37 AM

I wasn't quite sure how I'd feel about the Gates-now having seen it.......I still don't know :)

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Posted 14 February 2005 - 06:35 AM

Christo expects to make money on the Gates by selling photos of it, etc., it's not like the money's being spent it's more like an investment or in actual terms, a blatant commerical use of the park. :)

Over the weekend there were SO many people around the park and the Upper Westside it was crazy, almost like the Macy's Thanksgiving Day Parade were going on!

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Posted 14 February 2005 - 10:05 AM

Christo expects to make money on the Gates by selling photos of it, etc., it's not like the money's being spent it's more like an investment or in actual terms, a blatant commerical use of the park.  :)

Over the weekend there were SO many people around the park and the Upper Westside it was crazy, almost like the Macy's Thanksgiving Day Parade were going on!

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No public funds were used to make The Gates. The money came from the Christos. No admission was charged. The cost was some 20 million dollars. Now that the Gates are complete, Christo will not draw this subject any longer--this limited nature of his art making on the subject is what enables him to sell the drawings in the first place, thus funding the projects. The city benefitted by the influx of tourists, to say nothing of the intangible benefits of the karma, which was excellent on Sunday afternoon. What fun!

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Posted 14 February 2005 - 10:23 AM

I liked it better before the fabric was unfurled. The orange rectangles echoed the building shapes which surround the park, yet integrated wlell with the green space. The fabric makes the installation much more intrusive into the space by obscuring the view and such. Though I suppose Christo's other pieces have also been dramatic in this way. Certainly wrapping abuilding is intrusive...don't know how much the umbrellas were. That would seem more "harmonious" with the space...though I never saw it in person so I can't really say. I wished he would comment more on the intentions behind the relative amount that the installation would exist in the space, or take over it.

Been looking forward to this for a long time. It's exciting

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Posted 14 February 2005 - 12:16 PM

No public funds were used to make The Gates. The money came from the Christos. No admission was charged.

I'm afraid that never stopped anyone from criticizing anyone else for the way s/he spends his/her money. Living in the City of Bill Gates, one of the contant mantras is How He Should Spend His Money and How He's Not Doing Enough. (Somehow, this criticism doesn't seem to filter down to Microsoft co-founder Paul Allen, who, despite his wealth, asked the public to subsidize a football stadium for his NHL team.) That in addition to the constant carping during the Dot Com era about Microsoft, amazon.com, etc. Millionaires not giving enough in charitable donations, despite the general rule that it takes several generations of giving before it is ingrained behavior, and many of the suddenly wealthy high tech folks were the first in their families to have any substantial wealth, but gave anyway. (But Not Enough.) I know quite a few foreign-born tech people who are single-handedly supporting their extended families, and some even towns in their home countries, but because they aren't big on the United Way list of donors, they get no "credit" for it.


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