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Tapfan

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    Misty Copeland

    I know that people who have the goods to be ballet dancers are rare. Just like pro athletes. I get it. It's just that there are almost 40 million black people in the U.S. Even if the number of people with the access, interest and drive is much lower than in the white populace, you'd think there would be more than the handful that we know about. I know that none of the classical performing arts will ever have the attention of popular arts. But there have been times when it was better than it is now. People who didn't know anything about ballet were interested in Baryshnikov.
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    Misty Copeland

    Yes. At this point in the discussion, the more pertinent question is which black women you have seen dance ballet whom you feel should have advanced further than they have. Make your case for them based on what you’ve seen – if you can. You allege discrimination. Names please – if you have any. “Everyone knows black people are discriminated against, so dancers are too” is not an answer. No one disputes that they have been, but you allege that that are now. Perhaps so. Someone somewhere, no doubt, and that’s a terrible shame. But you imply widespread and systematic racism. Please demonstrate it
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    Misty Copeland

    Are there any other black women in predominently white companies who have advanced past the corp de ballet? I know that Tanya Howard at National Ballet of Canada is a soloist, but I'm not sure she identifies as black. Also, all the relatively well-known female, black, classical dancers seem to dance for Dance Theater of Harlem. As I've said many, many, MANY times, it's not that black folks who like concert dance are just madly in love with Misty to the exclusion of any other black female dancers, it's just that she is the ONLY one with any visibility. And even her visibility wouldn't exis
  4. Tapfan

    Misty Copeland

    I think the election and reelection Of President Obama has revealed both advancements in race relations AND the existence of stubbornly outdated racial attitudes. The fact that the president's very citizenship has been and continues to be questioned, shows that some people are simply unwilling to accept him as the legitimate Leader of the Free World. Such attitudes have an effect on the ballet world because no art form, not even ballet exists in a vacuum.
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    Misty Copeland

    I really wish there were more high profile female African American ballet dancers. I appreciate that Misty is turning many black girls on to ballet but I want to hear from other black women. I also want to hear from them as they speak about the art and not about being a black woman in that art. Trouble is, there are so few and none have senior positions at major companies. So who cares?
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    Misty Copeland

    There has been plenty of criticism of Copeland not just about this photo issue, but also along more race specific lines. I brought up racism here specifically in response to KFW's cries of woe is me, people are trying to paint me as racist and sexist. Also it may be picking nits, but let us be accurate. The photo is risque, you can see nipple, but it is not a topless photo: http://cocoafab.com/new-show-alert-misty-copeland-to-mentor-future-ballerinas-on-new-reality-series/ I guess I have become desensitized to things that many people find offensive or just tacky. Living in a world with Mil
  7. Tapfan

    Misty Copeland

    I co-sign your post re the Beyonce of ABT. There have been more, eh hem, prurient photo spreads of dancers. For example, I remember Guillem's full nude split pose in French Vogue when she was in her prime, and the discussion that prompted at the time. I think that the culture as a whole is becoming desensitized, where nothing shocks anymore. As far as Misty's artistry is concerned, no amount of skin exposure can back that up. Misty isn't another Stephanie Dabney or Virginia Johnson, two pioneering ballerinas who were indeed role models for their race. "Role models for their race." Y
  8. Tapfan

    Misty Copeland

    I wish interviewers would ask new and more interesting questions. We've been hearing the same things from Misty for ages.
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    Misty Copeland

    Misty has been appearing at dance festivals for years. This is nothing new. And I dare say that she has white fans who want to see her not because she's some unicorn, but because they like her dancing. Also, most black people are middle or working class. Not everyone lives in the ghetto and not everyone depends on public transportation.
  10. Why are they putting away this version of the Nutcracker?
  11. Tapfan

    Misty Copeland

    Squires is also on the advisory board to Project Plie'.
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    Misty Copeland

    Well it wasn’t coming from me, because I stopped listening to contemporary pop years before their time. Also, where’s the “outrage” about Misty Copeland? OK, to be fair, I’ve seen it on another site. But not here. Prove? Maybe they just didn’t like that much black pop of that era. Is that racist? Did black critics like second and third tier white stars? I have a white friend who was so upset when Michael Jackson died that he couldn’t go to work the next day, but give me Otis Redding or Miles or Monk or Muddy instead. Or Eric Owens. Appreciating diversity doesn’t mean loving everything eq
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    Misty Copeland

    I can appreciate that someone can dislike Misty's dancing and it have nothing to do with her figure or race. The problem is that for various reasons, there aren't more female, black classical dancers who are well known. Miss Copeland has become the symbol for all black women in classical dance. So she gets all the attention even if there are other black women who may be more deserving of the high profile Misty enjoys. While I am thrilled to see Misty bring new audiences to classical ballet, I want to see and hear from other black women. Right now in her interviews, Misty is just repeatin
  14. Tapfan

    Misty Copeland

    Although he is very talented, I think Eminem got more attention because he was a white rapper in a field dominated by black males. Same thing with the Beastie Boys. Where was the outrage about the attention paid to these artists? The fact that they were white undoubtedly added to their appeal and the ability of white audiences to identify with their music.
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    Misty Copeland

    Good for her. And good for the Washington Ballet AD for seeing the box office potential of such a high profile dancer. It seems the shows are sold out.
  16. I'm not a fan of City Ballet or its AD, but I commend SJP for trying to make the dancers seem less elitist. (Yes, that's important to some of us.) Also, I noticed that both this series and the one on SAB have gone out of their way to show racial diversity, particularly when it comes to FEMALE dancers of color. That is refreshing. (I don't believe they're indifferent to criticism about their lack of diversity). It was particularly nice to briefly see Olivia Boisson, the only black female in City Ballet AND Jasmine Perry who was a student at SAB and is now with Los Angeles Ballet. City Bal
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    tempo

    Abatt, I take it you think doing so is unfair. Doing so is unethical only if she implies that she does not make it to principal just because she's black. Otherwise, aspiring to be the first black woman to advance to a position in a profession which was until fairly recently largely closed to women of African descent, isn't seen as a bad aspiration by all people. Some black women would embrace such a distinction, other's wouldn't. Depends on the person. I still don't see why Misty ticks off so many people. They behave as if she's attacked them personally. I don't see all this outra
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    tempo

    If what Copeland's been doing is indeed campaigning for a promotion, it hasn't worked so far. She's been saying she wanted to be a principal since at least 2010. If McKenzie has felt unfairly pressured by what some view as impolitic campaigning for principal by a dancer whom some find undeserving, he's held up well. Very, very well.
  19. I know that City Ballet has one of the most famous productions, but is it the best? Am I correct in assuming that PNB and SFB's are highly regarded? I know that ABT's relatively new production was well-reviewed if not well-attended. Is their version one of the best? How do Houston , Miami City, Tulsa, Washington and Orlando's versions rank?
  20. Isn't that circular logic? Why not give her a chance. They've all been given chances.
  21. I've also read criticisms of her that say her dancing is dull. Clearly Lane's fans disagree. Yet some folks behave as if their opinions are facts. I don't believe that most people who follow ballet feel that the difference in skill among the female soloists at ABT is so stark that Copeland landing leads amounts to some form of robbery. To me, such accusations verge on the hysterical. It's not like Stella Abrera and Sarah Lane are Judi Dench and Maggie Smith to Misty's Meagan Fox. The difference in ability among the three is not that vast.
  22. The other way of looking at it is that Misty is not so vastly superior to Stella and Sarah, so one has to consider what factors tipped the balance in Misty's favor for being cast in SL. The other way of looking at it is that Misty is not so vastly superior to Stella and Sarah, so one has to consider what factors tipped the balance in Misty's favor for being cast in SL. This is ridiculous. 1) This is an art form. Opinions are at least somewhat subjective. The AD thought that she was better suited to the role than they, and honestly given the generally positive views she received and my o
  23. But isn't merit really subjective in this case? I have read opinions of others who are not untutored in classical ballet, and they happen to like Copeland as a dancer. I honestly don't believe that if Stella and Sarah were so vastly superior to Copeland, her presence could hold them back.
  24. I've never understood why any advancement in Misty's career is frequently seen as an affront to Stella Abrera or Sarah Lane.
  25. I also don't see how anything happening in her career is bad for ballet.
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