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Tapfan

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  1. Tapfan

    Misty Copeland

    If Lavine is a capable dancer in your eyes, why would you consider her promotion to be a politically correct choice? If ballet is this great and true art form that people go on about, then it can't be something that white people own and are benevolently allowing black people to participate in IF they behave themselves in a manner that pleases some of the art's gatekeepers. It's wrong to think that Jazz is owned by black people or ballet is owned by white people. Instead, both arts forms belong to anyone who can master or appreciate them. Would anyone say that a white musician who made
  2. Tapfan

    Misty Copeland

    Jackie Robinson gets credit for being the first black player in the modern MLB era. His importance is in no way diminished because he wasn't the very first.
  3. Tapfan

    Misty Copeland

    The newspaper of record is just one of the many sources that have said that DTH wasn't and isn't a major company. And once again, folks have to go all the way back to a long-retired black female dancer to compare to Misty. That's what makes me question how much some ballet fans actually know about classical dancers who happen to black females. Btw, Virginia wants Misty to be promoted and has said so repeatedly. Also, way to miss the point. Nobody, not even Misty's staunchest defenders, compared her skills or artistry to Nureyev's.
  4. Tapfan

    Misty Copeland

    I know. I think they all are doing it to advance their careers. I think more ballet people should sell out.
  5. Tapfan

    Misty Copeland

    I also would be willing to bet a month's salary that Calvin Royal and Courtney Lavine aren't angry at Misty for highlighting ballet's lack of racial diversity. Courtney has done this as well, albeit on a much smaller scale. In fact, everything I've read so far, indicates that Misty gets on quite well with her co-workers of ALL colors. In fact, in interviews, she comes across as incredibly sweet and cheerful despite knowing about the deep anger and resentment some folks feel towards her.
  6. Tapfan

    Misty Copeland

    Tiler Peck has also been on one of those dance reality TV shows. Nobody in classical ballet goes on those shows for artistic credibility.
  7. Tapfan

    Misty Copeland

    Is it really a controversial notion that when it comes to the advancement of black dancers in classical ballet, things are particularly challenging for black women? Or do people genuinely believe that them liking Calvin Royal means everything is fine? Because every single time Misty is discussed, people imply that liking black male dancers means the substance of their unending criticism of Misty Copeland has to therefore be logical or fair.
  8. Tapfan

    Misty Copeland

    Misty's been a soloist for eight years. She's been marketing herself aggressively for at least five of those years. If she was was so effective in gaining supposedly undeserved opportunities, shouldn't she have more to show for it? It took her 8 years to get Swan Lake and Romeo & Juliet leads. She has never danced leads in Giselle, Don Quixote, Le Corsaire, Manon, Nutcracker, T&V, Sleeping Beauty, Cinderella, La Sylphide, Gaite Parisienne or practically any of the other ballets in ABT's rep. Just what is she stealing from Stella and Sarah?
  9. Tapfan

    Misty Copeland

    Not all criticism of President Obama is racially motivated. But some of it most certainly is and unambiguously so. Same with Misty. One need only read the comments section of some articles about her to find blatant, unmistakable racism. I've never felt Copeland or any other artist is above criticism. Heck, I've criticized her. What I have a problem with is the substance of much of the criticism aimed at her. It's just so over-the-top, IMO.
  10. Tapfan

    Misty Copeland

    Let the church say, "Amen!"
  11. Tapfan

    Misty Copeland

    What could make people dislike her? Them feeling that she's hogging attention that they think belongs to someone more deserving.
  12. Tapfan

    Misty Copeland

    Thick is NOT a derogatory term. At least not as I use it. Her limbs and torso are not as thin as most Balanchine dancers I've seen. But that doesn't mean she's overweight, out of shape or has an unattractive body.
  13. Tapfan

    Misty Copeland

    That was my point as well, all things being equal, subjectivity still comes in to play more times than not. Even at sainted NYCB.
  14. Tapfan

    Misty Copeland

    Actually, I've NEVER stated that I thought people who dislike Copeland or her PR tactics are racist. Not once. Misguided, culturally myopic, defensive and over-the-top, yes. Racist, no.
  15. Tapfan

    Misty Copeland

    Well do you disagree that different balletomanes can view the same dancer and totally disagree on her worth as a dancer? That's my point.
  16. Tapfan

    Misty Copeland

    They must be considering the fact that they have on occasion, hired dancers that weren't trained in the method. Violetta Verdy and Sofiane Sylvie come to mind. Sofiane is pretty thick. No way her body is a Balanchine body.
  17. Tapfan

    Misty Copeland

    I'm being totally honest when I say that I'd love it if other deserving black female classical dancers were better known. But practically all such women are either in the corps de ballet of major companies ( Precious Adams/ENB, Michaela DePrince/DNB, Olivia Boisson/NYCB, Courtney Lavine/ABT, Kimberly Braylock/SFB and Christina Spigner/MCB) and are thus out of the limelight, dance with regional companies which don't get much national attention (Kayla Rowser/Nashville Ballet, Katelyn Addison and Gabriel Savatto/Ballet West, Whitney Huell/Kansas City Ballet) dance in companies with no dancer ra
  18. Tapfan

    Misty Copeland

    Meritocracy in ballet is largely subjective. That's something that's been discussed at length on this very forum. When I asked why NYC Ballet didn't have more dancers of East Asian descent when many other major companies did, nobody dared suggest that there were no qualified east Asian dancers available. Instead they pointed to other factors like lack of Balanchine-specific training, or things like height and a company's specific needs at the time. In other words, at the elite level, the smallest things that have nothing to do with ability or race or ethnicity, can land you in or out off
  19. Tapfan

    Misty Copeland

    Why do people keep bringing up black men? Liking black male dancers doesn't mean you notice or like black female dancers. It's easier for black men to make it as classical dancers because there's always a shortage of men. Also, brothers are helped by the fact that black men are associated with great athleticism and hyper-masculinity. And Tai Jiminez has been retired for several years. That's what I mean when I say that black women aren't even in the conversation about classical ballet. People always have to go back several years to some long-retired ballerina to even speak on the subjec
  20. Tapfan

    Misty Copeland

    I have no trouble believing that there are and were other black women who are just as if not more deserving of being made principle as Misty. But Jackie Robinson wasn't generally believed to be the best black player available to integrate Major League Baseball. He was one of the best but not the best. The absolute best was probably Satchel Page. However, Robinson did have advantages that other black players didn't have. He was a college graduate AND he was lucky enough to be on the minor league farm team of an owner who was ready to take the big step of integrating the sport. Somebody
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    Misty Copeland

    It's not that I think Virginia isn't worthy of praise. Quite the contrary. She was an extremely talented and important artist. It's just that I agree with the premise put forth by Ms. Howard in her article. More than one major black classical artist can exist at a time. Yet in an effort to prove how free they are from racism, many people praise her as if she was the only one. The fact that Virginia is usually the only one mentioned when talking about black ballerinas who aren't Misty and Michaela, calls in to question how much the so-called informed fans actually know about female classical
  22. Tapfan

    Misty Copeland

    I feel so cheerfully smug because I actually had heard of many the people listed on the roll call. Yay! But gosh, did it ever take some effort to acquire this knowledge. Information online about black ballerinas past and present, is sparse indeed. When I stated on this forum that I was emotionally invested in Misty's career because she was so high profile and there was so little information out there about other black ballerinas, someone sweetly, and helpfully, mentioned the names of other black ballerinas. Fortunately, I already knew that other black ballerinas exist. I know where
  23. I believe that ABT may finally have some potential superstars in the pipeline who will make them less dependent on imported talent. Aran Bell that engaging little towhead from the First Position documentary is in the ABT studio company along with Prix de Laussanne runner up Garegan Pogossian. Both these two have star quality written all over them.
  24. Oh, I've heard of all these young women. But with the exception of Michael DePrince who has a compelling personal history, because none of these women are principals, it's next to impossible to follow their careers.
  25. But Alicia switched to Modern after DTH went on hiatus. And isn't LCS also a modern dancer? It's not that I think modern is some how a lesser art form than ballet. It's just that it seems next to impossible for black women to break through to the senior ranks in ballet in a non-black majority company. I'd like to see it in my lifetime.
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