pherank Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 There's a new biography available, Reckless Daughter: A Portrait of Joni Mitchell, as talked about in this excellent article in the New Yorker: Joni Mitchell’s Openhearted Heroism By Dan Chiassonhttps://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/10/09/joni-mitchells-openhearted-heroism "She was born Roberta Joan Anderson in 1943. Like many pop musicians, she suffered a childhood of utter tedium, a bright star against the faint backdrop of Saskatoon, Saskatchewan. On the airwaves, she heard “Mantovani, country and western, a lot of radio journalism,” and, once a day for an hour, “The Hit Parade.” A soulful girl, she watched the trains approach and depart, or pored over the Sears catalogue. (She called it “the book of dreams.”) When Mitchell was eight, she contracted polio and was quarantined, for several months, in a hospital close to home. Her mother came to see her once, on Christmas; her father never did. Polio patients were told to keep perfectly still—it was believed that any movement might cause the disease to spread—so she spent the time alone and on her back. When she was released, her left hand was damaged (it would make conventional guitar playing difficult for her, and led her to experiment with her own, idiosyncratic tunings) and she had lost the speed in her legs. But, she said, she “came back a dancer.” If you can't access the New Yorker article, it is also published on Mitchell's website:http://jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=3756 Use the Amazon search box on the Ballet Alert homepage to search for the book! Link to comment
dirac Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 Thanks for posting, pherank. Sorry to hear that Mitchell has been in poor health. Link to comment
KarenAG Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 (edited) Loved this. I have always loved Joni Mitchell's music - amazing, glass-like, poetic lyrics, vocals unlike any other and wild, gorgeous tunes- what an artist! I, too, am sad that Ms Mitchell is not in good health. Thank you for posting this, Pherenk. Edited November 4, 2017 by KarenAG clarity Link to comment
dirac Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 A neat clip of Mitchell singing "Coyote" at Gordon Lightfoot's house. Link to comment
pherank Posted August 23, 2019 Author Share Posted August 23, 2019 Thanks Dirac - I believe that's from the Rolling Thunder Revue movie, which is out on Netflix or Amazon Prime... Link to comment
dirac Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 Yes, it is from the movie. Not sure if I will get around to seeing it. I think it's Netflix. Have you seen it yet? Link to comment
pherank Posted August 23, 2019 Author Share Posted August 23, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, dirac said: Yes, it is from the movie. Not sure if I will get around to seeing it. I think it's Netflix. Have you seen it yet? I watched some, not all. ;) As much as I admire the music, watching drunk/stoned/whatever musicians jibber-jabber isn't that interesting for me. I've spent enough time around touring musicians to know that the backstage club world is not glamorous, but mostly interminably boring and ugly. In some ways, it works best to just watch the music highlights on YouTube! Edited August 23, 2019 by pherank Link to comment
Buddy Posted August 24, 2019 Share Posted August 24, 2019 (edited) Since it's the 50th Anniversary of Woodstock, Pherank, let's go at it somewhat differently. Here's two of her songs. If you want to skip the technical stuff, which might be quite interesting to some, move on to 9:50 after the first song. I just fell into this and haven't watched it completely so I hope that it ends on a high. Enjoy. Edited August 24, 2019 by Buddy Link to comment
pherank Posted August 24, 2019 Author Share Posted August 24, 2019 3 hours ago, Buddy said: Since it's the 50th Anniversary of Woodstock, Pherank, let's go at it somewhat differently. Here's two of her songs. If you want to skip the technical stuff, which might be quite interesting to some, move on to 9:50 after the first song. I just fell into this and haven't watched it completely so I hope that it ends on a high. Enjoy. Thanks Buddy - I've seen that one previously: I've watched a number of "Fil from Wings of Pegasus" analysis videos over the past year or two. They're pretty entertaining. (I also recommend Rick Beato's song analysis videos as well, as he has a great personality and lots of musical knowledge and experience). There's some early Joni Anderson (Mitchell) Folk TV performances on Canadian TV that are great. It's immediately noticeable what a rare bird she was in comparison to the other folkies and their "good time" renditions of traditional songs. Her song writing style was remarkably developed in that early period. Urge for Going (1966):https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLu2-gG68S0 All the performances beginning in 1965:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abtBjHVAe08 Link to comment
Buddy Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 3 hours ago, pherank said: Thanks Buddy - I've seen that one previously: I've watched a number of "Fil from Wings of Pegasus" analysis videos over the past year or two. They're pretty entertaining. (I also recommend Rick Beato's song analysis videos as well, as he has a great personality and lots of musical knowledge and experience). There's some early Joni Anderson (Mitchell) Folk TV performances on Canadian TV that are great. It's immediately noticeable what a rare bird she was in comparison to the other folkies and their "good time" renditions of traditional songs. Her song writing style was remarkably developed in that early period. Urge for Going (1966):https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLu2-gG68S0 All the performances beginning in 1965:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abtBjHVAe08 Thanks so much, Pherank. Although I’ve listened to a lot of her music I don’t recall ever seeing her perform even on video until today. She’s quite magical in these. I didn’t know that she wrote "Urge for Going" which is a classic. Interestingly, the one song that she isn’t performing that is shown here is the Youngblood’s “Get Together,” which went on to become perhaps the hippie ‘national anthem.’ I believe that I mentioned at the Bruce Springsteen topic that the two post-Beatles albums that touched me the most were her “Blue” and Paul Simon’s “There Goes Rhymin’ Simon.” I guess that I wasn’t alone because I read later that “Blue” is the top selling female vocal album ever. Rolling Stone magazine had her on the cover in its next addition. Link to comment
pherank Posted August 25, 2019 Author Share Posted August 25, 2019 1 hour ago, Buddy said: Thanks so much, Pherank. Although I’ve listened to a lot of her music I don’t recall ever seeing her perform even on video until today. She’s quite magical in these. I didn’t know that she wrote "Urge for Going" which is a classic. Interestingly, the one song that she isn’t performing that is shown here is the Youngblood’s “Get Together,” which went on to become perhaps the hippie ‘national anthem.’ I believe that I mentioned at the Bruce Springsteen topic that the two post-Beatles albums that touched me the most were her “Blue” and Paul Simon’s “There Goes Rhymin’ Simon.” I guess that I wasn’t alone because I read later that “Blue” is the top selling female vocal album ever. Rolling Stone magazine had her on the cover in its next addition. Blue is often considered to be a classic of the singer-songwriter genre. I would also choose Hejira for its classic sound and memorable lyrics - a true sonic masterpiece (the song Coyote in the video above was on Hejira). A bit off topic, but if you can appreciate Joni Mitchell then you can likely appreciate the great Sandy Denny (or any of the early Fairport Convention music): Sandy Denny - Solohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zVeqcz5X3g Sandy Denny and Fairport Convention - Who Knows Where The Time Goeshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DeZL2FXkGqI Sandy Denny and Fairport Convention - Farewell Farewellhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8_eFRZP1uQ Denny came to prominence at an amazing time - she one of a whole group of great British folk-rock singers, such as Maddy Prior, Jacqui McShee, Judy Dyble, June Tabor and others… Link to comment
Buddy Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 13 hours ago, pherank said: Blue is often considered to be a classic of the singer-songwriter genre. I would also choose Hejira for its classic sound and memorable lyrics - a true sonic masterpiece (the song Coyote in the video above was on Hejira). A bit off topic, but if you can appreciate Joni Mitchell then you can likely appreciate the great Sandy Denny (or any of the early Fairport Convention music): Sandy Denny - Solohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zVeqcz5X3g Sandy Denny and Fairport Convention - Who Knows Where The Time Goeshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DeZL2FXkGqI Sandy Denny and Fairport Convention - Farewell Farewellhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8_eFRZP1uQ Denny came to prominence at an amazing time - she one of a whole group of great British folk-rock singers, such as Maddy Prior, Jacqui McShee, Judy Dyble, June Tabor and others… Thanks again, Pherank, for these video clips. I did have one or two of the Fairport Convention albums and liked them very much. I’ve watched the Joni Mitchell one that you posted several times. It and she continue to be magical. As the host says, “…she writes them beautifully and she sings them beautifully and she looks beautifully at the camera too.” She was at a beautiful age with a modestly all-embracing presence and an understated high intelligence. And of course she had compassion. Since this is a ballet forum I’ll make a comparison to video clips of the young Galina Ulanova. And I just took a look at Oxana Skorik’s most recent “The Swan” performance. Both what she does and what Joni Mitchell does may be different universes but both have their own immense beauty. Joni Mitchell’s “Blue” album, along with Paul Simon’s “There Goes Rhymin’ Simon,” for me, had an overall uplifting quality that I found most welcome. Link to comment
pherank Posted August 25, 2019 Author Share Posted August 25, 2019 (edited) Mitchell was hugely influential on these female musicians and definitely inspired many a girl to try writing her own material. One of the more talented imitators: Shelagh McDonald - City Cryhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHSVc8cq_As Remember this one? For years the only version of Mitchell's "Eastern Rain" anyone knew was recorded by Sandy Denny and Fairport Convention:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZ1nlWHQTf4 Edited August 25, 2019 by pherank Link to comment
Buddy Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, pherank said: Mitchell was hugely influential on these female musicians and definitely inspired many a girl to try writing her own material. One of the more talented imitators: Shelagh McDonald - City Cryhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHSVc8cq_As Remember this one? For years the only version of Mitchell's "Eastern Rain" anyone knew was recorded by Sandy Denny and Fairport Convention:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZ1nlWHQTf4 I’m loving these memories, Pherank, keep them going ! I’d like to look into these other singers, as I know very little about them except for Sandy Denny, and maybe get back to them later. Let me go in another direction once more for a moment. It’s about Woodstock. I was there. I thought it was quite wonderful and still do. I highly recommend the new PBS documentary. It focuses on the good will that dominated everything. Since it’s the 50th Anniversary I’ve been searching the internet for photos. Interestingly, it’s ones of Joni Mitchell that, of all the stars associated, most represent my memories and feelings. I know that she wasn’t there, much to her regret I’m sure as she was almost there and she did write the song. I’m not even sure that she would have been one of my favorite performers but seeing pictures of her and watching the video that you posted she looks to be the ideal Woodstock person. Edited August 26, 2019 by Buddy last sentence addd to and grammar correction Link to comment
pherank Posted August 25, 2019 Author Share Posted August 25, 2019 (edited) Lucky you, Buddy. Mitchell kind of made up for her absence at Woodstock by appearing on the Dick Cavett show around the same time (her manager had booked her for the Cavett show thinking that would be more important than having her appear at the festival): The sitting around and talking part:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-yzV5gKvGg Mitchell's performances on that show were first rate:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zEi7uJxP68https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KvHhQpAelto As far as the British female musicians I mentioned that all owe a debt to Mitchell... Maddy Prior and Steeleye Span perform Weill and Brecht's "The Black Freighter":https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jIIUmw0LN_w Jacqui McShee and Pentangle perform Light Flight:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itjFfz079f8 Judy Dyble with Giles, Giles & Fripp (birth of the band King Crimson)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfqXh5s4t4k Judy Dyble with original Fairport Convention lineup (pre-Sandy Denny)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXgvNZdzYNw June Tabor - Hughie Graemehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lQD_oy5ko0 June Tabor - A Place Called Englandhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-gchaUT6Ac June Tabor and Maddy Prior - The Grey Funnel Linehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHOokpi9hUw Annie Halsam with Renaissance - Northern Lightshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIEqdXpG5Pg Another admired singer of the classic rock/folk era: Anne Briggs - Go Your Wayhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vS81zHrOB74 EDIT: I almost forgot about Linda Thompson…yikes! Richard and Linda Thompson - A Heart Needs A Homehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqViJyweNV0 Richard and Linda Thompson - Withered and Diedhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gg-HNSJoo7M Linda Thompson - Nursery Rhyme of Innocence and Experiencehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNYsoqYazl0 Edited August 25, 2019 by pherank Link to comment
Buddy Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, pherank said: Lucky you, Buddy. Mitchell kind of made up for her absence at Woodstock by appearing on the Dick Cavett show around the same time (her manager had booked her for the Cavett show thinking that would be more important than having her appear at the festival): The sitting around and talking part:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-yzV5gKvGg Mitchell's performances on that show were first rate:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zEi7uJxP68https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KvHhQpAelto As far as the British female musicians I mentioned that all owe a debt to Mitchell... Thanks once more, Pherank. I’ll try to listen to the other singers when I get chance. Watching these new video clips just reinforces my high opinion of Joni Mitchell. Even the few words that she got in during the discussion made her more precious. Her performances were excellent. The reason that I wrote that if Joni Mitchell had appeared at Woodstock she still might not have been among my favorites is that her lilting poetry might have had a hard time registering in front of an audience of half a million and among such high energy performers as Janis Joplin and Jimi Hendrix. Yet Crosby, Stills and Nash, who appeared at the end just before Jimi Hendrix, were among my favorites with their new on the scene delicate harmonies. Also Richie Havens who acoustically opened the Festival was one of my favorites, so who knows. When she sang “Chelsea Morning” on the Dick Cavette Show with her bit of brilliant scat-like singing at the end she just might have won me over. Even Grace Slick (boy did I have a crush on her back then) got up and applauded. Edited August 26, 2019 by Buddy Janis Joplin's name added Link to comment
dirac Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 Mitchell could have accompanied her gentleman friend of the time, Graham Nash, but wisely stayed home to do press. I am reminded for no special reason that a few years ago Nash dumped his wife of four decades for a lady half his age who looks rather like Joni in her youth. Mitchell dumped him by telegram, bless her heart. Link to comment
Buddy Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 Thanks, Dirac, for this added insight. I only know a few of the facts in Joni Mitchell’s life, but she certainly could be beautiful and she could write things like this…. “I was born to take the highway I was born to chase a dream” Link to comment
Kathleen O'Connell Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 On 8/25/2019 at 4:36 PM, pherank said: Mitchell was hugely influential on these female musicians and definitely inspired many a girl to try writing her own material. One of the more talented imitators: Shelagh McDonald - City Cryhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHSVc8cq_As Remember this one? For years the only version of Mitchell's "Eastern Rain" anyone knew was recorded by Sandy Denny and Fairport Convention:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZ1nlWHQTf4 While I'm not sure I'd claim that Mitchell was a huge influence on his music, Prince was most definitely a fan. Link to comment
dirac Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 On 8/26/2019 at 1:35 PM, Buddy said: Thanks, Dirac, for this added insight. I only know a few of the facts in Joni Mitchell’s life, but she certainly could be beautiful and she could write things like this…. “I was born to take the highway I was born to chase a dream” You might check out the new bio, Buddy, if you're curious. The author is a bit of a fanboy but it has been an interesting life and unique career. Link to comment
pherank Posted August 28, 2019 Author Share Posted August 28, 2019 27 minutes ago, Kathleen O'Connell said: While I'm not sure I'd claim that Mitchell was a huge influence on his music, Prince was most definitely a fan. A great example, Kathleen - "influence" can mean a great many things, and doesn't have to result in an artist being a clone or "light/junior" version of the original artist. All artists absorb many, many influences over the course of their lives, and those influences may impact personality, techniques used, the kind of people one spends time with, hobbies and side interests, anything. Link to comment
Kathleen O'Connell Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 (edited) 8 minutes ago, pherank said: A great example, Kathleen - "influence" can mean a great many things, and doesn't have to result in an artist being a clone or "light/junior" version of the original artist. All artists absorb many, many influences over the course of their lives, and those influences may impact personality, techniques used, the kind of people one spends time with, hobbies and side interests, anything. Prince was apparently very taken with Mitchell's The Hissing of Summer Lawns, which, upon reflection, makes absolute sense. If ever there were a Mitchell album that was going to tickle all the right Purple brain cells, The Hissing of Summer Lawns is surely the one. Edited August 28, 2019 by Kathleen O'Connell Link to comment
Buddy Posted August 29, 2019 Share Posted August 29, 2019 (edited) 16 hours ago, dirac said: You might check out the new bio, Buddy, if you're curious. The author is a bit of a fanboy but it has been an interesting life and unique career. Thanks, Dirac. And thanks, Kathleen, for mentioning a Prince connection. Things like this are always very nice and interesting to know. When I briefly talked about ballet, it makes me think about dance’s most beautiful moments. It’s something that we maybe wanted to dream about back then. What Joni Mitchell in her song “Woodstock” refers to as “the garden.” Her lyric from her song “Born to Take The Highway,” — “I was born to chase a dream” — reminds me of a t-shirt that I saw on a little child a few years ago that said — “I Was Born To Love.” Edited August 29, 2019 by Buddy Link to comment
Buddy Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 (edited) In regard to the book, I’m rather happy at the moment to live with my dream-images of the young Joni Mitchell. She was lovingly perceptive and during her comments that I’ve come across in the video clips — an absolute sweetheart. Sometimes I can guess at (or have read elsewhere) whom she’s singing about. Apparently the “For The Roses” album had a lot to do with James Taylor. There’s an extremely lovely duet audio, easily found on the internet, of them singing “The Circle Game” in London, 1970. Once again, since this is a ballet/dance forum I can let my imagination go somewhat and find charming comparisons with the very young Bolshoi star, Alyona Kovalyova. I’m sure that we all can make equally favorite comparisons with many other young, angel-like, ‘artist/geniuses.’ Edited August 30, 2019 by Buddy Link to comment
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