Mel Johnson Posted September 2, 2003 Share Posted September 2, 2003 That's right, thanks! Elizabeth was set up with her own separate maintenance arrangement at Hatfield House, and never spent any time with Henry and Jane, nor with Henry and Anne of Cleves (hey, Henry hardly spent any time with her), nor with Henry and Katherine Howard. It wasn't until Queen Catherine Parr that Lady Elizabeth was welcomed back at court. Link to comment
dirac Posted September 2, 2003 Share Posted September 2, 2003 Catherine Howard had other fish to fry. But then she didn't last too long either, poor thing. I suspect Elizabeth may have been relieved to be away from court, all things considered. Link to comment
glebb Posted September 4, 2003 Author Share Posted September 4, 2003 It may also be possible that Elizabeth had too much fun under Catherine Parrs roof. Link to comment
Mel Johnson Posted September 4, 2003 Share Posted September 4, 2003 Given the proclivities of the fun-lovin' Lord Admiral, I'd have to say that was a distinct possibility! Link to comment
dirac Posted September 5, 2003 Share Posted September 5, 2003 I kind of doubt that Elizabeth really enjoyed the enterprising lord's forays into her bedroom. (Goodness only knows what the queen dowager thought.) What a household. So much for staying on topic -- Link to comment
Alexandra Posted September 5, 2003 Share Posted September 5, 2003 ooh, ooh, thank you, dirac, I get to use one of the new smilies: :offtopic: Please stay after school and do 12 sets of voltas Link to comment
Mel Johnson Posted September 5, 2003 Share Posted September 5, 2003 Well, at least we can say that Elizabeth wouldn't have found the Lord Admiral a good dancing partner. He ended up too short. By a head. Link to comment
dirac Posted September 5, 2003 Share Posted September 5, 2003 Hee, hee! Continuing to veer away from the topic, talk of suitable partners reminds me of Mary Queen of Scots, who was just six feet and definitely the tallest one in her class. Really tall women confront difficulties today, but imagine the situation for poor Mary in that vertically challenged era. I'm sure one reason she was attracted to the horrid Darnley was the fact that he was just about the only man in the kingdom tall enough to partner her, and like Elizabeth she was a great one for the dancing. There's a cute story about Elizabeth and the Scottish ambassador which I hope is true. She was questioning him about his mistress, and the Queen asked him if it was correct that Mary was quite tall, much taller than she. He cautiously allowed how this was so, and she said, "Then she is too high, for I myself am neither too high nor too low." So there. Link to comment
Mel Johnson Posted September 5, 2003 Share Posted September 5, 2003 Is that another Anglican joke? Link to comment
glebb Posted September 6, 2003 Author Share Posted September 6, 2003 I believe that conversation is recreated in "ElizabethR" dirac. One more reason to watch "ElizabethR." Of course La Volta is the number one reason. Link to comment
dirac Posted September 8, 2003 Share Posted September 8, 2003 I haven't seen "Elizabeth R" in a long time, but if I recall correctly it also has the dubiously documented bit where Elizabeth, upon hearing of the birth of the future King James, wails in front of her entire court that she is but a barren stock. Highly unlikely. It was a very enjoyable series, though. Link to comment
glebb Posted September 9, 2003 Author Share Posted September 9, 2003 I believe you are thinking of Glenda Jackson in "Mary Queen of Scots", which is also a marvelous, if not quite accurate take on the lives of Elizabeth Tudor and Mary Stuart. They meet face to face twice in the film. The scene takes place at a court dance. All are merry and gay when Elizabeth receives the news. She falls to the floor (in a very beautiful gown) and bemoans her status. "The Scottish Queen is lighter of a fair son, and I am but barren stock!" Glenda just chews the scene up! Link to comment
dirac Posted September 9, 2003 Share Posted September 9, 2003 That must be it. (I'm glad they didn't do the scene in the series.) I thought Glenda was okay in both movie and series, but my favorite screen Elizabeth remains Bette Davis, who played her twice. (Cate Blanchett was good, too, of course.) Okay! Now back to the topic! I mean it, this time! (And if I violate the rule again, I'll banish myself from the board, like Ed Norton slapping himself around the office in Fight Club.) Link to comment
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