Vs1

Bought Giselle tickets for her.  Cost a ton of money.    Should have (actually did) expect this would happen.  I don't want to have to see even more ballets than I have tickets for, so is there a way to sell them?  Stub hub never worked for me. 

2 hours ago, pherank said:

"Luck" would have absolutely nothing to do with it. There's no time like the present for POB to implement a much improved human resources department and create rules and procedures and actually enforce them. In the part of the world that I live in, these things have existed for decades, both in civil service, union jobs, and in private industry. But private industry is notorious for cutting corners and not providing adequate assistance to employees and management. That's when everything comes down to people "doing the right thing", and guess what? People don't always do the right thing. That's why companies with real human resources departments that offer seminars and training for employees and management, (some of those trainings being mandatory), tend to be the best places to work, by far. I'm well aware that there are cultures in which 'employees' are little better than slaves in terms of their rights at work, and the work environment is often unhealthy or even lethal. POB is not located in one of those cultures - they don't have any excuses, and neither does NYCB.

You mean those big companies that hire people for training at no pay, and then pay two dollars an hour, make you work on call with no ability to get a second job, force you to get food stamps, and you work until your earnings eat into the next level boss's bonus, so you get fired and lose your book of business?  Which are unlike and better than small family owned businesses that cause one to suffer through nepotism?

Just now, nanushka said:

Isn't it possibly quite similar? Grad school can feel like a calling and a passion, even if one in fact hates it. The same, I imagine, could be true of being a dancer.

If that is what the poster meant. Some people go to grad school to meet job requirements. Some  go to delay work. Some go b/c of parental pressure. Some go because they love learning but hate the school room or process. Some go to learn because they need the skills.   Some go because they don't have to work if they get scholarships.  Some go because they don't know what else to do.    Maybe, for some, it is a calling.  But for a dancer who had no "calling or passion" and did something requiring incredible sacrifice, discipline, time, and work in school, who is still doing it after retirement, I have a bit of a hard time comprehending the meaning still.  Could a dancer have pressure or financial or other type of desperation? Is that passion?

Just now, pherank said:

 

[There are something like 12 ballet masters at NYCB. The number of staff people in general is quite large.]

I was thinking of both the management staff at NYCB - the people "inside the building", as well as the Board of Directors.
The question has been: how many of these people are complicit in what essentially is a cover-up of bad behavior over many years?

The notion that Martins was the only person at NYCB who ever demonstrated emotionally or physically abusive behavior is incredibly unlikely. Or NYCB really is a magic kingdom. It's going to be the same situation at POB - there will be various incidents involving different people. Ideally, both the 'victims' and the 'accused' should receive immediate counseling (if it isn't also a legal matter). But the school and the company probably need a clearer set of rules for behavior at POB. And POB members need a clear process for dealing with "abusive" situations that arise.

What kind of counseling? Training in how to behave when in power? Good luck.   Heel? Be nice?

Talking to a dr?  Depends on the type of harassment and your belief in the dsm or pharmacology.

Just now, volcanohunter said:

Because she was good at it. But having an aptitude for something doesn't mean a person enjoys doing it.

To give you a more prosaic example: me in grad school. Straight As, one scholarship after another and total misery. In fact, I always did so well in school that it never occurred to anyone, including myself, that I flat-out, absolutely detested every minute of it.

Yes, but would you not have discontinued it at some point? E.g., the Sasha Radetsky movie and the best in class ballerina student with the ballet mom (I think). 

Maybe you liked and hated school? I am sure it was boring as hell for you, which was a part you probably hated (forgive my speculation). Maybe no one did anything to relieve your boredom. But you had to go to school. She didn't have to go to ballet school, be a ballerina, or become an AD.

Just now, alexL said:

It was Benjamin Millepied's. 

Kabuki? Really? It was a modern dance piece that has nothing to do with the traditional kabuki art form. Saburo Teshigawara is a very respected modern choreographer who's been active since 80's. If anything, he had studied ballet before becoming a choreographer so ballet has greater influence in his work than kabuki. 

Sorry for not looking that up. 

Just now, sandik said:

Are you thinking of the 1959 version?

No, the Jolie

Just now, naomikage said:

Aurelie Dupont has been dancing quite a lot since her retirement at the Opera and even after she has been appointed AD.

She has guested in Martha Graham Company just after her retirement. (and we can see the company is invited to guest at POB next season) Also Ohad Naharin created a piece for her and Diana Vishneva for Vishneva's festival Context. 

Also, she had danced in POB's Japan tour last March (after her appointment) , Daphnis and Chloe. At first it was supposed to be with Herve Moreau but as he was unavailable, she danced with Germain Louvet. She also guested in Tokyo Ballet's Bejart Bolero performance.  and also danced at the Lincoln Center Festival's Saburo Teshigawara performance last summer. 

Retiring POB does not mean retiring as a dancer so it is not fair to criticize her that she is dancing quite a lot, many ADs do dance,  but she ought to do her job as AD first. 

I didn't criticize her.  I do remember the Graham ad but forgot to see it at the time. 

Which Daphnis did she dance?

I missed LCF but passed by some stands with Kabuki type information. Did she dance Kabuki or a modern dance?

Why do people say she lacks passion for classical ballet? Absent that, how would she have endured her schooling and career, and "after career", considering its demands and her misery. 

In the recent Disney version, why couldn't she stop the curse?

Just now, abatt said:

Prices are increasing for next season.  I see that the lowest  priced ticket is now $35 plus facility fee.  For the past few seasons the lowest price point was $30 plus facility fee.  It appears that every ticket price point has increased.

 

Looks like the interim AD's really like Bigonzetti.  In addition to bringing back Oltremare, they are also reviving his In Vento. 

29 to 30 to 35?

ABT 360 to 480?

It is like college rates of inflation

Just now, Jayne said:

I cannot recall criticisms of NYCB outside of Peter Martins’ behavior and management choices.  The bigger problem there may be that bad behavior was so often tolerated or simply ignored.

Well, what is the cure? Intolerance of the things that are tolerable to some but not others? No criticism?  The immigration rules (which did not help solve a problem), as discussed elsewhere?

Just now, naomikage said:

I have to confirm you that on Shinshokan Dance Magazine August 2015 issue, she said that the Manon farewell series was her first time dancing with Roberto Bolle. (but also she says she looks forward for more opportunities dancing with him) and also previously she has said she wanted to dance with someone new and secure once Herve Moreau became unavailable so she thought dancing with Bolle would be a nice idea. 

And Dupont is announced to dance in the World Ballet Festival this summer in Tokyo. (although it is not announced who she will be dancing, Bolle is also announced to be in this gala)

Do you have any proof that she had danced with him before? I could not find any by googling.

So she  is dancing post-retirement?  She was on his site, and his fans' sites, but how would anyone know the veracity of what anyone says or what it means?  (E.g., did he dance with her or did she dance with someone else at his gala? Was the magazine or she truthful or accurate? Is that tolerable or not (see below re Martins).  He had a video on the New York Mag site for a long time about Ferri that is no longer there, either.  So I have no idea what is or is not on Google

Seems very petty if that's the reason 

if she denies dancing with does she deny dancing at his galas

4 hours ago, Buddy said:

I don’t really understand what this means, Vs1, after partially quoting my post. Maybe you could elaborate. Thanks.

When I wrote that Aurélie Dupont “seemed to like (?) Myriam Ould-Braham, whom I consider to be one of the most underused jewels of the ballet world” her liking was only based on my very sketchy feelings, nothing more and not intended to be a statement of certainty. Aurélie Dupont was listed as the ‘coach’ for a La Bayadere that featured Myriam Ould-Braham. Whether she had special involvement with her I don’t know, but she was at least overseeing what turned out to be a wonderful performance by Myriam Ould-Braham, in my opinion. Also last December Myriam Ould-Braham was given three or four appearances in the long Swan Lake series, but so, admittedly, were a couple other ballerinas. But this was the most that I’d ever seen Myriam Ould-Braham given. I’ll add that I would have gladly taken the six hour train ride to Paris to see her, as I did for her La Bayadere, but tickets at a reasonable price were not available, at least from the POB site.      

 

Aurelie complained in the same way as m about the school.

On April 18, 2018 at 9:52 AM, volcanohunter said:

At the time I thought that importing Bolle for Dupont's farewell performance was a disgrace, especially since it was televised to the nation. In effect it was Dupont's repudiation of her male colleagues, and I can understand why they would still resent her. If I recall correctly, she had previously danced the ballet with Josua Hoffalt. Imagine how he felt when Dupont elected to dance her last performance with Bolle rather than him. (It's not as though the Dupont-Bolle partnership was one of long standing and popular 

Didn't she dance the five last with bolle?

she had danced galas with him

although I was shocked by how awful the DVDs was

4 hours ago, Quiggin said:

I think the policy on speculation is to be fair to everybody and provide some basis for the speculation..

Does this count as basis? 1 rabbi said there is no such thing as coincidence 2 logic 3 experience. 

I don't know the policy on speculation.

1 hour ago, Blackcurrant said:

Indeed, I was not addressing US law. Since the NBOC is in Canada, I thought Canadian sources would be most relevant to this thread.

Government of Canada's Canadian Centre for Occupational Health and Safety  site also includes a Q and A about what examples are of what's considered bullying in its definition. These examples, designed with occupational health and safety / HR departments in mind, are narrower in scope than some of the ones pertaining to fradulent or intimidating persuasion that Vs1 mentions.

 

 

Yes I was referring to dupont in France as well as my experience in USA, as well as the UN.

 I have only ever studied three issues of Canadian law but I won't go into the them. The issues allegedly come to light are irrelevant to me given the biased  arrogant superior so called expert press misreporting this week by both opposing  opinion networks which contravenes basic daily practiced  ny and federal law knowingly.  Maybe this info is even tradecraft, who knows.   

I remember a shampoo commercial -he told two friends etc -like a game of telephone. So info on the Internet and dead baby pix ( incl those on video as the kids pulled the sheet over their heads- which also could be edited ) - that come up in the rags and new info outlets can mean to you whatever you hope they do.

I think that statements of alleged hope about an end to disputes mistreatment retaliation abuse ignore the history of forever war see eg Europe 

meanwhile people say they seek snitches on this same site

so go on the record as a snitch and suffer consequences as usual bc of some notion of we are good they are bad and justice which could mean punishment both of which elsewhere we are urged to avoid on this board

Just now, Vs1 said:

 

Just now, kylara7 said:

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And what about the dancers? Millennials get a bad press but, on the whole, I’m inspired by them. They expect to be treated with respect and they search it out. The new generation of dancers anticipate guidance and mentorship at all levels. They do not accept the instances of misogyny, nepotism or discrimination that previous generations of dancers and directors felt the need to consent to as ‘just part of the dance world’. Thankfully, most of the millennials I work with, both at Company level and in schools, do not recognise being shouted at, or humiliated as ‘working hard’, as some in previous generations did." 

https://www.scottishballet.co.uk/articles/behaviour-in-the-ballet-world

I would have been fired so many times for airing any such grievance. And I would receive punishment and banishment, not praise.  And no one, especially women, would provide guidance; I expected and received sabotage. 

Yelling is not related to hard work. Perhaps it shows a style of management or a human loss of temper, better dealt with, with training, in private.  Some see it as a useful tool - to intimidate, influence, show power, get people to work (not my preference.)

The television view of big business may obviate any idea about nepotism, but most businesses are small, family businesses. And you suck it up. The boss won't treat you better than his kid, and you shouldn't even expect it.  People expect an ideal that is a fairy tale. Work sucks, is hard, and is not an act of love.

Just now, Blackcurrant said:

Bullying is said in this Ontario education-related bill's preamble to be included within harassment:

"In December 2009, the Occupational Health and Safety Act was amended to add Part III.0.1 to provide protective measures against violence and harassment in the workplace. Such harassment can include bullying. It is appropriate to expand that approach to deal with bullying in schools. Bullying in schools is particularly odious since its victims are children who are often less able to defend themselves than adults are."

Plus, here's a definition of "workplace bullying" from the Government of Canada's Canadian Centre for Occupational Health and Safety...since definitions do vary, e.g., with regard to whether repeated behaviour is required or intent is required to be shown, it's helpful to see what definition is likely in use across Canada.

"Bullying is usually seen as acts or verbal comments that could 'mentally' hurt or isolate a person in the workplace. Sometimes, bullying can involve negative physical contact as well. Bullying usually involves repeated incidents or a pattern of behaviour that is intended to intimidate, offend, degrade or humiliate a particular person or group of people. It has also been described as the assertion of power through aggression."

That said, the same site indicates that there's not much legislation  specific to bullying; it's more likely under the umbrella of other Things Not To Be Done. Here's the details:

"To date, few Canadian jurisdictions have occupational health and safety legislation that is specific to bullying.

In British Columbia, WorkSafeBC has developed policies and resources related specifically to workplace bullying and harassment. Treasury Board of Canada has published “People to People Communication – Preventing and Resolving Harassment for a Healthy Workplace”.

However, almost all jurisdictions have legislation specific to workplace violence and/or harassment. A list of which acts and regulations that cover violence/harassment is available on our website. Please note that while you can see the list of legislation for free, you will need a subscription to view the actual documentation.

Where there is no legislation which specifically addressed bullying, the general duty clause establishes the duty of employers to protect employees from risks at work. These risks can include harm from both physical and mental health aspects.

In addition, federal and provincial human right laws prohibit harassment related to race, national or ethnic origin, colour, religion, age, sex, marital status, family status, disability, pardoned conviction, or sexual orientation. In certain situations, these laws may apply to bullying."

Sigh. This news, even if not all officially "news", is all sad- and anger-making.

 

Well, those are not US laws.  Oddly, the OSHA law says per the UN it applies universally, but businesses claim to leave the U.S. due to overregulation, and go see a video of a ladder leaning on a pile in Bangladesh. 

I don't know how anyone would function. Every arena - teacher, dr., advertiser, scientist, pharmaceutical company, lawyer, government agent, corporation, military unit. salesperson, artist, donor, philanthropist, nonprofit - uses intimidation, manipulation (a/k/a persuasion)  (at mental and emotion risk, as well as physical) against the public, enemy, resource source, audience, and employees.   E.g., ads for drugs scares all (bullying), often create a disease (fraud) and "cure" (fraud, bullying), makes a worthless disclosure that the dr tells one to ignore, hides adverse events, and gets away with murder while making a profit (physicial, emotional, mental, economic harm).

Just now, mnacenani said:

At the time I thought that importing Bolle for Dupont's farewell performance was a disgrace, especially since it was televised to the nation. In effect it was Dupont's repudiation of her male colleagues

I didn't realize Roberto Bolle was Russian.

Well we lost him at ABT for that, as well.  Yet again.

Her husband/bf was in the film, as were other etoile/ or p.d.

Whoever made that film, both as shot and edited, should be exiled. 

Just now, Buddy said:

I haven't read the article but I may give if a try if I can. I'm somewhat sorry to hear about discontent with Aurélie Dupont although I know very little about her. What I did like was that she seemed to like (?) Myriam Ould-Braham, whom I consider to be one of the most underused jewels of the ballet world, and her somewhat severe view of the 'not necessarily pleasant' ballet school, which has been voiced by others.

The films attribute this to Aurelie, and blame her for her statements and laziness given her talents. What is the source regarding Myriam?

Just now, volcanohunter said:

Earlier this month I spent 12 hours on a flight from Munich to San Francisco. I wouldn't exactly call it a good time. Sure, Asian destinations are closer from San Francisco than Miami, but if most of Kochetkova's gala destinations are in Europe, I can think of home bases much more convenient than the Pacific coast of the United States.

Do European galas sell out? I have been to empty galas many times in the States, and people are begged to attend. Without a sponsor, I still don't see how one earns a living.  Although I think Masha will have a lot of opportunities, unlike others. She has a great talent for self-promotion, and a devoted following that enjoys her type of work.

Just now, vipa said:

I would not judge it as harshly, but from what I saw of her in ABT (including Swan Lake) I came to think of her as a "utility ballerina." She gets the job done, which is admirable, but I never saw a creative, artistic imagination or special musicality. Those qualities can be few and far between, although NYCB has quite a stable right now. A dancer like Kochetkova can be a big loss to a company, but I can't see it as devastating.

This said, my only experience with SFB was their visit to NYC a few years ago, so I can't speak as someone who has seen her in her home company season after season.

I don't. I just stated my observations. I don't find a person good or bad or worthy of punishment because she lacks acting skills.

You were lucky to see SFB in NY, as was I. I loved YYT. I thought Masha moved in a way enjoyed by the young in McGregor, whose ballets I have spent a lot of money on and still do not understand.  I don't understand Ferri's relationship with him, either. 

(Then again, I saw people whoop and holler at Martha Graham, at a performance that was filled to the brim, which did not occur at virtually any ballet I saw at ABT or NYCB, or the Russian, Parisian, English, or Chinese visitors to NY (except for the claque), and I did not get that, either).