Kamicos Posted November 3, 2022 Share Posted November 3, 2022 (edited) But think how enjoyable it would be to see them again in 2024! 😀 Edited November 3, 2022 by Kamicos Link to comment
Buddy Posted November 3, 2022 Share Posted November 3, 2022 (edited) Just now, Kamicos said: But think how enjoyable it would be to see them again in 2024! 😀 Gee, I only got to see five of them (ABT Swan Lakes) this summer. Edited November 3, 2022 by Buddy Link to comment
vipa Posted November 3, 2022 Share Posted November 3, 2022 33 minutes ago, Buddy said: It is written in stone that you can never have enough Swan Lakes (and I do like the Kevin McKenzie one very much) and probably Giselles. 😊 You remind me a quote by David Vaughn, a wonderfully witty dance writer and fan I had the pleasure if knowing. (I may be paraphrasing a bit): The best Swan Lake you've ever seen is never the one you're watching. That always made me laugh. Link to comment
Becki Lee Posted November 3, 2022 Share Posted November 3, 2022 Found a pic of Frankie in the blue dress in Like Water For Chocolate https://www.culturewhisper.com/amp/dance/the_royal_ballet_like_water_for_chocolate/16668 Link to comment
Buddy Posted November 3, 2022 Share Posted November 3, 2022 (edited) Just now, vipa said: You remind me a quote by David Vaughn, a wonderfully witty dance writer and fan I had the pleasure if knowing. (I may be paraphrasing a bit): The best Swan Lake you've ever seen is never the one you're watching. Except when it is. 😊 I have seen some beautiful ones. Once upon a time there was this beautiful Swan Queen named Veronika Part.... Thanks for the smile, Vipa. Edited November 3, 2022 by Buddy Link to comment
ABT Fan Posted November 3, 2022 Share Posted November 3, 2022 1 hour ago, Kamicos said: Ugh…SL, Giselle, R & J again??? I love all of these ballets but something else would really be nice for a change! What about Onegin, Cinderella, Coppelia, Manon, Sylvia, Spartacus, Carmen, Mayerling, A month in the Country, Daphnis and Chloe just to name a few. I guess Like Water for Chocolate is it next spring! I can understand it, though it makes for redundant and unimaginative programming. For one, SL is always a cash cow, and I'm sure they're still trying to make up financially for lost revenue during the shutdown. Plus they have several new principals, esp Brandt and Hurlin, who reportedly did very well in their O/O debuts this past season. Similarly, Giselle boasted several major debuts this year as well, especially for Brandt, so they probably want to capitalize on that again next year. R&J, well I can't imagine the thinking behind that one so soon. It's highly possible we may have one or even two major retirements next year, and these three ballets could provide one last opportunity for those leaving to perform such iconic roles one last time, and for their actual farewell performance. 11 minutes ago, Becki Lee said: Found a pic of Frankie in the blue dress in Like Water For Chocolate https://www.culturewhisper.com/amp/dance/the_royal_ballet_like_water_for_chocolate/16668 That's the same dress that Trenary is wearing in her IG story, so safe to assume she'll be cast as one of the leads. (Good news, given her pitiful casting this past season.) Link to comment
nysusan Posted November 3, 2022 Share Posted November 3, 2022 Swan Lake & Giselle again, yay! ABT doesn't typically do Giselle every year, maybe every third year so I'll be thrilled to see it again if they program it for their Met season. Right now they have an incredible Giselle in Brandt and I would love to see her develop in the role. I would hate the idea of not seeing Swan Lake for a couple of years so even though I'm not a big fan of ABT's staging or their current O/Os I'm glad they do it every year. For me a mediocre SL is better than no SL (and NYCB's doesn't count). I'm not so keen on R&J, esp since IMO ABT does not have a great Juliet at the moment and great artists in the lead roles are the only thing that makes R&J interesting to me. But it is very popular with the Met audience so I can see why they'd program it again. With a season that is barely more than 4 weeks long I doubt they'll have room for much more than SL, Giselle, R&J and LWFC (assuming these are the ballets that are programmed). I can also see them doing maybe a 4 show run of OLAR. I would love to see Bayadere (not likely), Sylvia or Raymonda (I know, we'll probably never see another Raymonda at ABT). Fortunately my taste seems to match that of ABT's core Met audience - give me the classics please - every single season! Link to comment
ba11et0mane Posted November 3, 2022 Share Posted November 3, 2022 does anyone know if the announcement for the summer season is coming around this time or will we have to wait until december like last year? Link to comment
Fleurfairy Posted November 3, 2022 Share Posted November 3, 2022 17 hours ago, Kamicos said: Ugh…SL, Giselle, R & J again??? I love all of these ballets but something else would really be nice for a change! What about Onegin, Cinderella, Coppelia, Manon, Sylvia, Spartacus, Carmen, Mayerling, A month in the Country, Daphnis and Chloe just to name a few. I guess Like Water for Chocolate is it next spring! Agree, dullsville. ABT just does not know how to get their programming right lately. And yes The Dream came back (for 3 paltry performances) but where's the rest of Ashton? I'd love to see La Fille Mal Gardee and Cinderella. Where has DeMille been???? I have been watching Ballet West's IG rehearsals clips of Rodeo and it makes me sad that NY hasn't seen this in at least a decade. Link to comment
bingham Posted November 3, 2022 Share Posted November 3, 2022 1 minute ago, Fleurfairy said: Agree, dullsville. ABT just does not know how to get their programming right lately. And yes The Dream came back (for 3 paltry performances) but where's the rest of Ashton? I'd love to see La Fille Mal Gardee and Cinderella. Where has DeMille been???? I have been watching Ballet West's IG rehearsals clips of Rodeo and it makes me sad that NY hasn't seen this in at least a decade. NY audience, in general, don’t like these ballets anymore. La Fille , a long Time favorite , does not attract audience. Maybe , with Skylarand Cassie with Danil It will be an attraction.😒again Link to comment
abatt Posted November 3, 2022 Share Posted November 3, 2022 (edited) I think the audiences are smaller for ABT because there are no more "star" dancers, and people came to expect star wattage at ABT after so many years of international, top tier talent. If, for example, Olga Smirnova or Victoria Tereshkina were to appear at ABT, I'm sure audiences would show up regardless of what they were dancing. Edited November 3, 2022 by abatt Link to comment
nysusan Posted November 3, 2022 Share Posted November 3, 2022 (edited) 44 minutes ago, abatt said: I think the audiences are smaller for ABT because there are no more "star" dancers, and people came to expect star wattage at ABT after so many years of international, top tier talent. If, for example, Olga Smirnova or Victoria Tereshkina were to appear at ABT, I'm sure audiences would show up regardless of what they were dancing. Good point. Time was (not too long ago) you could go to ABT and see the best dancers in the world. Not anymore. Not saying that ABT doesn't have some very good dancers - they do. But none at the level of a Vishneva or Ferri or Osipova or Gomes or Corella (except for Cornejo , who is at the end of his career and Simkin, who is rarely scheduled to appear now). Book Smirnova or Osipova and the Met will fill up quickly. Edited November 3, 2022 by nysusan Link to comment
volcanohunter Posted November 3, 2022 Share Posted November 3, 2022 Ballet companies can't dip into their historical repertoire at will. Generally speaking, licensing contracts for performing rights last three years. Since Swan Lake, Giselle and Romeo and Juliet have been performed recently, it's safe to say those licensing agreements are active. Plus there is an existing agreement concerning Like Water for Chocolate, and unless the ballet is a total flop, those rights will be used to the maximum before any major new acquisitions will be considered. Any ballet that hasn't been performed for more than three years, and post Covid-canceled seasons that accounts for a lot of repertoire, would require a new licensing agreement. They will come, but given the financial condition of many ballet companies today, they have to make good use of the money they've already spent before they start a new spree. Link to comment
bingham Posted November 3, 2022 Share Posted November 3, 2022 46 minutes ago, volcanohunter said: Ballet companies can't dip into their historical repertoire at will. Generally speaking, licensing contracts for performing rights last three years. Since Swan Lake, Giselle and Romeo and Juliet have been performed recently, it's safe to say those licensing agreements are active. Plus there is an existing agreement concerning Like Water for Chocolate, and unless the ballet is a total flop, those rights will be used to the maximum before any major new acquisitions will be considered. Any ballet that hasn't been performed for more than three years, and post Covid-canceled seasons that accounts for a lot of repertoire, would require a new licensing agreement. They will come, but given the financial condition of many ballet companies today, they have to make good use of the money they've already spent before they start a new spree. That makes sense. I never knew of the licensing part. One learns so much in this site. Thanks VH. Link to comment
ABT Fan Posted November 3, 2022 Share Posted November 3, 2022 18 minutes ago, bingham said: That makes sense. I never knew of the licensing part. One learns so much in this site. Thanks VH. I agree. Licensing is never on my radar. Thanks VH, that explains a lot. Link to comment
Kamicos Posted November 3, 2022 Share Posted November 3, 2022 1 hour ago, bingham said: That makes sense. I never knew of the licensing part. One learns so much in this site. Thanks VH. Yeah, I never knew that either. Kind of a drag! Link to comment
tutu Posted November 4, 2022 Share Posted November 4, 2022 On 11/3/2022 at 10:07 AM, nysusan said: I'm not so keen on R&J, esp since IMO ABT does not have a great Juliet at the moment and great artists in the lead roles are the only thing that makes R&J interesting to me. But it is very popular with the Met audience so I can see why they'd program it again. I know it’ll never happen this season, but I’d love to see some debuts from the new generation coming up — Zimmi Coker comes to mind. Link to comment
ABT Fan Posted November 4, 2022 Share Posted November 4, 2022 1 hour ago, tutu said: I know it’ll never happen this season, but I’d love to see some debuts from the new generation coming up — Zimmi Coker comes to mind. I agree. Well, you never know, especially if there are injuries or illnesses. I’d love to see Misseldine get a Myrtha next year. I’m sure she will eventually, and be magnificent, but with the present casting of Teuscher, Hurlin, Williams and probably one for Shevchenko (since she now does Giselle as well) there isn’t really room. Link to comment
nanushka Posted November 4, 2022 Share Posted November 4, 2022 When Misseldine gets her first O/O I will absolutely be there. Link to comment
stuben Posted November 5, 2022 Share Posted November 5, 2022 12 hours ago, ABT Fan said: I agree. Well, you never know, especially if there are injuries or illnesses. I’d love to see Misseldine get a Myrtha next year. I’m sure she will eventually, and be magnificent, but with the present casting of Teuscher, Hurlin, Williams and probably one for Shevchenko (since she now does Giselle as well) there isn’t really room. Speaking of injuries, did anyone see Bonfiglio or McCune during the Fall Season? I didn't notice any posting that included them and nothing on their social media, especially Bonfiglio since she wasn't in anything I saw during Met Season either but she is still listed on the website. As for Myrtha, I recall Waski did this when she joined Boston Ballet, and if my memory serves me correct she was cast for Met Season before she left, so hopefully she will get her opportunity again as well. IMHO she did quite well during this Met Season alongside Williams, considering per Pointe article of her "marathon season" that she did a full Boston season with a one day break to be at the Met? As much as I love the SL etc. I do wish new management will bring more new works as I see from Australia etc. Seems Hallberg has some interesting pieces in 2023, also missing him on the stage here :(. Link to comment
ABT Fan Posted November 5, 2022 Share Posted November 5, 2022 5 hours ago, stuben said: Speaking of injuries, did anyone see Bonfiglio or McCune during the Fall Season? I didn't notice any posting that included them and nothing on their social media, especially Bonfiglio since she wasn't in anything I saw during Met Season either but she is still listed on the website. As for Myrtha, I recall Waski did this when she joined Boston Ballet, and if my memory serves me correct she was cast for Met Season before she left, so hopefully she will get her opportunity again as well. IMHO she did quite well during this Met Season alongside Williams, considering per Pointe article of her "marathon season" that she did a full Boston season with a one day break to be at the Met? As much as I love the SL etc. I do wish new management will bring more new works as I see from Australia etc. Seems Hallberg has some interesting pieces in 2023, also missing him on the stage here :(. McCune performed in The Seasons as one of the Water Men - I remember noticing him, as well. I don't see Bonfiglio in any of my programs, so she didn't dance at any of the performances I attended. Link to comment
ABT Fan Posted November 5, 2022 Share Posted November 5, 2022 19 hours ago, nanushka said: When Misseldine gets her first O/O I will absolutely be there. Misseldine posted an IG story today showing her Ahn guesting in Korea, and they did the White Swan pas and a pas from Le Corsaire. So she's getting ready. Link to comment
FauxPas Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 Remember that the ABT Spring/Summer 2023 Met Season was planned by McKenzie since the planning has to be done a year in advance. Also I always thought that new season contracts start in the Fall, so that any big changes in the roster will happen in 2024 most likely. Susan Jaffe's artistic agenda won't come into focus probably until the Fall 2023 and 2024. Then, hopefully, there will be changes and improvements. New ideas and fresh innovations, we hope. Link to comment
abatt Posted November 16, 2022 Share Posted November 16, 2022 (edited) Ballet Theater to Bring ‘Like Water for Chocolate’ to Met Stage - The New York Times (nytimes.com) A four week season - Like Water For Chocolate, Giselle, R&J, and SL. Edited November 16, 2022 by abatt Link to comment
abatt Posted November 16, 2022 Share Posted November 16, 2022 (edited) Checked the online brochure for casting. Hurlin will debut as Juliet and as Giselle. Teuscher also gets a Giselle debut. No Misty anywhere in the casting. Edited November 16, 2022 by abatt Link to comment
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