abatt Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/28/arts/dance/in-city-ballet-shake-up-one-dancer-out-and-two-suspended.html?rref=collection%2Fsectioncollection%2Farts&action=click&contentCollection=arts&region=stream&module=stream_unit&version=latest&contentPlacement=1&pgtype=sectionfront This is a shock. Link to comment
abatt Posted August 28, 2018 Author Share Posted August 28, 2018 I think it must be something more than just dating that led to this. Interesting that two of the three decided to take the suspension, but Finlay quit. Based on his instagram postings, Finlay is dating someone who is not a dancer at NYCB. Does this mean we'll be seeing a lot more of Veyette? Gulp. Link to comment
CTballetfan Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 Also shocked. I read the Times article twice and it seems that texts and emails were sent by these dancers to the complainant. These pieces must be very damaging for Finlay to resign immediately (shades of Marcelo Gomes?) and the other two to be suspended. The article says nothing about accusations of sexual or physical abuse, only accusations of inappropriate written remarks—verbal abuse? I don’t know what to make of it, but it will be devastating to the company. I was so looking forward to my performances of Jewels and the De Luz farewell. What kind of performances will these be for the dancers and the audience? Link to comment
CharlieH Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 (edited) “Inappropriate communications” can also be the emailing or texting of photos (a la Anthony Weiner). Not just about words. Edited August 28, 2018 by CharlieH Link to comment
FPF Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 Also really shocked. I hope all of the dancers will be very cautious going forward and that the expected standards are very clear. I wonder where Finlay will go. Link to comment
abatt Posted August 28, 2018 Author Share Posted August 28, 2018 (edited) Given the circumstances surrounding his departure, I'm guessing ABT would probably not be interested in hiring Finlay. Edited August 28, 2018 by abatt Link to comment
CharlieH Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 Isn’t there a company called Bad Boyz of Ballet? Oops. Link to comment
California Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 I'm stunned, like everybody else. What's so baffling: after the publicity about Weiner, Cosby, and on and on for years now, wouldn't you think maybe people would be super-careful? Gomes has gradually found his way to a lot of work free-lancing and now with Sarasota Ballet. But he's also quite a star otherwise. I wonder if these three will be so lucky. And given the nature of the allegations, they can probably forget about jobs teaching or directing a company. Link to comment
Fleurfairy Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 (edited) Good lord. Others on the ABT board were speculating that Catazaro might leave NYCB for ABT given the shortage of male principals over there. Maybe Finlay will try that now. I can’t imagine staying at a job where I was suspended. Talk about a blow to the morale. Edited August 28, 2018 by Fleurfairy Link to comment
abatt Posted August 28, 2018 Author Share Posted August 28, 2018 Sports figures get suspensions all the time. It's not the end of the careers of Catazaro and Ramasar, although how they would ever be able to work alongside the person who reported them is hard to imagine. Finlay's resignation, however, seems like a death blow to his career. Link to comment
ABT Fan Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 (edited) What in the world?? According to the Times, Finlay refused to discuss the matter with NYCB management (?!) and instead just resigned last week. He's already been removed from their website. And, I don't understand why the other two would be suspended without pay till next year. If what they did was so bad, why weren't they fired? I'm not advocating for them to be fired, I'm just wondering what's the point of the suspension. I have a feeling they'll both resign (or "retire") and not return. This is devastating in so many ways. Added: there's no way any of these three will by hired by ABT. Edited August 28, 2018 by ABT Fan Link to comment
ABT Fan Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 2 minutes ago, abatt said: It's not the end of the careers of Catazaro and Ramasar, although how they would ever be able to work alongside the person who reported them is hard to imagine. The Times says that the accusation came from someone outside of NYCB. 7 minutes ago, California said: I'm stunned, like everybody else. What's so baffling: after the publicity about Weiner, Cosby, and on and on for years now, wouldn't you think maybe people would be super-careful? You'd be surprised how many people still do this. Link to comment
FPF Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 The NYT says that Finlay, Catazaro, and Ramasar sent "inappropriate communications" which suggests a different level of behavior than Weiner and Cosby, who are convicted sex offenders. On the bright side, male soloists and corps dancers should be getting new opportunities in the fall and Nutcracker seasons. Link to comment
CharlieH Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 Just now, FPF said: The NYT says that Finlay, Catazaro, and Ramasar sent "inappropriate communications" which suggests a different level of behavior than Weiner and Cosby, who are convicted sex offenders. On the bright side, male soloists and corps dancers should be getting new opportunities in the fall and Nutcracker seasons. When I mentioned Weiner, I was thinking only about the emailing of inappropriate photos. Link to comment
vipa Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 50 minutes ago, CTballetfan said: Also shocked. I read the Times article twice and it seems that texts and emails were sent by these dancers to the complainant. These pieces must be very damaging for Finlay to resign immediately (shades of Marcelo Gomes?) and the other two to be suspended. The article says nothing about accusations of sexual or physical abuse, only accusations of inappropriate written remarks—verbal abuse? I don’t know what to make of it, but it will be devastating to the company. I was so looking forward to my performances of Jewels and the De Luz farewell. What kind of performances will these be for the dancers and the audience? I'm confused. My interpretations was letter of complaint about the communications came from someone from outside the company, however the communications may have been sent to someone inside or outside of the company. Correct? Link to comment
FPF Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 5 minutes ago, vipa said: I'm confused. My interpretations was letter of complaint about the communications came from someone from outside the company, however the communications may have been sent to someone inside or outside of the company. Correct? From the NYT: In a statement, Charles W. Scharf, chairman of the City Ballet board, said the company had several weeks ago “received a letter alleging inappropriate communications made via personal text and email by three members of the company.” The letter did not come from someone in the company, and the communications were “personal in nature.” Link to comment
CTballetfan Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 1 hour ago, vipa said: I'm confused. My interpretations was letter of complaint about the communications came from someone from outside the company, however the communications may have been sent to someone inside or outside of the company. Correct? I’m confused on this point too. In my reading the article does not say to whom the complainant reported the communications. Is this right? Link to comment
CharlieH Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 (edited) 14 minutes ago, CTballetfan said: I’m confused on this point too. In my reading the article does not say to whom the complainant reported the communications. Is this right? The article is clear on that - the complainant wrote a letter to NYCB. Edited August 28, 2018 by CharlieH Link to comment
FPF Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 3 minutes ago, CTballetfan said: I’m confused on this point too. In my reading the article does not say to whom the complainant reported the communications. Is this right? It just says that the company received the complaint, but doesn't specify the recipient. Link to comment
ABT Fan Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 Are we to assume that the three guys sent inappropriate communications to the same person, the complainant? Link to comment
ABT Fan Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 1 minute ago, FPF said: That was my impression. Then that’s....I don’t even know what to call that. I know Carousel is closing soon, but I wonder if this will trickle down and if Ramasar will be replaced/removed till it does. Link to comment
Kathleen O'Connell Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 3 minutes ago, ABT Fan said: Are we to assume that the three guys sent inappropriate communications to the same person, the complainant? The complainant may not have been the person or persons to whom the communications were sent. Link to comment
Helene Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 We aren't to assume anything. (And there is more than one possibility.) If the answer is released officially, then it can be a discussion point. Link to comment
Helene Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 Admin warning Speculation has been removed. Stop it. Any mention of any issues with minors MUST include a citation from an official news source. Here is one for Weiner, who was mentioned upstream. Link to comment
vipa Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 (edited) 50 minutes ago, Kathleen O'Connell said: The complainant may not have been the person or persons to whom the communications were sent. That's the way I read it too. The person(s) to whom the communications were sent might or might not be in the company. The person who sent the complaint is not in the company, and might or might not be a/the recipient of the communications. Are we to believe that all three men sent some kind of inappropriate communication with the same person? Edited August 28, 2018 by vipa typing errors Link to comment
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