Mashinka Posted June 17, 2018 Share Posted June 17, 2018 23 minutes ago, canbelto said: I do know this: the Vaganova grads since he took over have looked healthier, fuller-bodied, more muscular even, with toned calves and thighs, and stronger feet. Not just healthier but happier too, look at the videos, there's real joy in their dancing. Link to comment
volcanohunter Posted June 17, 2018 Share Posted June 17, 2018 That's not an objective measure of anything. A dancer can appear happy and really be miserable. A dancer can project joy in dancing despite a horrible teacher or boss because they love doing it regardless. I am not addressing Tsiskaridze and the Vaganova Academy per se. I know nothing about the reality of situation and cannot comment on it. But I do know dancers who hate their bosses and smile radiantly on stage nonetheless because they love performing, and because it's their job. Link to comment
CharlieH Posted June 17, 2018 Author Share Posted June 17, 2018 On 6/16/2018 at 2:37 PM, Quinten said: It looks like the Vaganova Jubilee will be televised on Russian TV on June 19. Here's a link to the Google-translated page (I couldn't find the original Russian language one for some reason, sorry.) I hope it will be streamed on this website. https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&hl=en&prev=search&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=ru&sp=nmt4&u=https://tvkultura.ru/article/show/article_id/262205&xid=17259,15700019,15700124,15700149,15700168,15700173,15700186,15700190,15700201&usg=ALkJrhj_Av5-GZtz53OYUvBxaUERlJUpfw Thanks for this heads up, Quinten! I’ve alerted a fellow ballet lover in Moscow with DVR at-the-ready! Link to comment
Mashinka Posted June 17, 2018 Share Posted June 17, 2018 25 minutes ago, volcanohunter said: That's not an objective measure of anything. A dancer can appear happy and really be miserable. A dancer can project joy in dancing despite a horrible teacher or boss because they love doing it regardless. I am not addressing Tsiskaridze and the Vaganova Academy per se. I know nothing about the reality of situation and cannot comment on it. But I do know dancers who hate their bosses and smile radiantly on stage nonetheless because they love performing, and because it's their job. Quite possibly, but of late I've not seen the dull parade of sullen stick insects the Vaganova used to produce pre-Tsiskaridze Link to comment
volcanohunter Posted June 17, 2018 Share Posted June 17, 2018 Objectively speaking, that would be an improvement. Link to comment
CharlieH Posted June 17, 2018 Author Share Posted June 17, 2018 52 minutes ago, Mashinka said: Quite possibly, but of late I've not seen the dull parade of sullen stick insects the Vaganova used to produce pre-Tsiskaridze Absolutely. Here is one Vaganova graduate of the past (2001) who turned out healthy & fabulous: Terioshkina, guest-starring as Paquita in one of this year’s graduation concerts. Courtesy of YT poster BalletOpera. Enjoy Terioshkina’s grand jetes. Whee! Link to comment
Laurent Posted June 18, 2018 Share Posted June 18, 2018 Tereshkina observed every single accent, this alone is a rarity today; her exaggerated, ostentatious, manner, however, made her less appealing in my eyes than, for example, Khoreva, who was dancing one of the variations (said to be from the late 19th century ballet Gretna-Green (!?!) but, in reality, being the Dulcinea variation of Dudinskaya). Link to comment
Guest Posted June 18, 2018 Share Posted June 18, 2018 (edited) y Edited January 24, 2019 by Guest Link to comment
Fleurdelis Posted June 18, 2018 Share Posted June 18, 2018 9 hours ago, canbelto said: I do know this: the Vaganova grads since he took over have looked healthier, fuller-bodied, more muscular even, with toned calves and thighs, and stronger feet. I am not sure fuller-bodied and more muscular is something I would like to see more of, I would prefer more Lopatkinas, Zakharovas and Vishnevas, or am I advocating an unhealthy look? And what about the men? Link to comment
Drew Posted June 18, 2018 Share Posted June 18, 2018 (edited) People don't often mention her--at least not on the websites I read--but I had been assuming Ayupova must play an important role in the new leadership of the school too . . . no?? Edited June 18, 2018 by Drew Link to comment
MadameP Posted June 18, 2018 Share Posted June 18, 2018 8 hours ago, Laurent said: Tereshkina observed every single accent, this alone is a rarity today; her exaggerated, ostentatious, manner, however, made her less appealing in my eyes than, for example, Khoreva, who was dancing one of the variations (said to be from the late 19th century ballet Gretna-Green (!?!) but, in reality, being the Dulcinea variation of Dudinskaya). I agree. Actually, I wonder at much of Tereshkina's casting at MT. For me, she is no Aurora or Giselle or Odette (Odile MAYbe) and no Raymonda. The list goes on. Technically she is strong, but she doesn't represent Vaganova style to me, and maybe that is because she was not wholly Vaganova trained. I cannot remember now whether she had 4 or 5 years at Vaganova, but certainly not the full course. I find her often, as you say, ostentatious, and I also find her hard, She just doesn't have that somewhat rarified Vaganova refinement. Khoreva DOES in my opinion. Very talented girl. Link to comment
MRR Posted June 18, 2018 Share Posted June 18, 2018 (edited) Khoreva is a jewel, with all the qualities to become a major ballerina. Edited June 19, 2018 by MRR Link to comment
Buddy Posted June 18, 2018 Share Posted June 18, 2018 10 hours ago, Drew said: People don't often mention her--at least not on the websites I read--but I had been assuming Ayupova must play an important role in the new leadership of the school too . . . no?? Drew, this is a very good question. And others like her as well. And if not in leadership then at least in the exceptional artistic development. Link to comment
Mashinka Posted June 18, 2018 Share Posted June 18, 2018 An RT documentary of last year seemed to show her position as number two. Link to comment
Buddy Posted June 18, 2018 Share Posted June 18, 2018 Hopefully she's a very good and effective influence. Maybe a lot more in the picture then we would think. Women can do that sort of thing. 😊 Link to comment
MadameP Posted June 19, 2018 Share Posted June 19, 2018 Although Zhanna Ayupova was a wonderful ballerina in her time and is also an excellent coach and teacher, she does NOT have ultimate responsibility for anything at Vaganova. In everything, the decision is Tsiskaridze's. Zhanna has a second position at Mikhailovsky Theatre, where she coaches a number of important dancers, including Angelina Vorontsova. She also travels a great deal, assisting with the mounting of various productions. She simply doesn't have the time to give Vaganova all of her attention, neither does she have the contacts, or the strings to pull to get the repertoire that Tsiskaridze has managed to acquire for the Vaganova students. She is very much a second in command to Tsiskaridze in every aspect of the Academy, despite her title. Link to comment
Drew Posted June 19, 2018 Share Posted June 19, 2018 (edited) It would never occur to me that Tsiskaridze wasn't "in command" so to speak or the person in charge; I just wondered a bit that no-one ever mentions Ayupova when she does have an important appointment at the school. I'm actually a little surprised to read that Vaganova doesn't get "all of her attention" -- or at least the lion's share -- given her position there... I do remember her as quite a wonderful ballerina... Edited June 19, 2018 by Drew Link to comment
MadameP Posted June 19, 2018 Share Posted June 19, 2018 1 hour ago, Drew said: It would never occur to me that Tsiskaridze wasn't "in command" so to speak or the person in charge; I just wondered a bit that no-one ever mentions Ayupova when she does have an important appointment at the school. I'm actually a little surprised to read that Vaganova doesn't get "all of her attention" -- or at least the lion's share -- given her position there... I do remember her as quite a wonderful ballerina... It's difficult for anyone to give anything their full attention when they have two separate roles/appointments in different establishments! Hope we see Maria Khoreva in a principal role soon. She is off to a good start! Link to comment
Drew Posted June 19, 2018 Share Posted June 19, 2018 (edited) 11 minutes ago, MadameP said: Hope we see Maria Khoreva in a principal role soon. She is off to a good start! In every video that has come out of this year's graduation performances Khoreva has looked like a ballerina. Edited June 19, 2018 by Drew Link to comment
Guest Posted June 19, 2018 Share Posted June 19, 2018 17 hours ago, Gnossie said: Since she is the Artistic Director, she is the one who chooses the repertoire the academy performs, not Tsiskaridze. Kultura will livestream the 2018 Vaganova Ballet Academy graduation performance at the Bolshoi. The performance starts at 7pm on the 19th of June, Moscow time: https://t.co/ugt7CETKkGugt7CETKkG The link doesn't work for me -- if anybody else in the US has been able to view the stream please let me know how you did it! Otherwise we'll have to depend on forum members to share their impressions of the performance, thank you in advance. Link to comment
serephy Posted June 19, 2018 Share Posted June 19, 2018 I'm recording the livestream on my computer at the moment. The quality isn't amazing (particularly for sound) but I could post it unlisted to youtube if you'd like? This is the link that worked for me. https://tvkultura.ru/article/show/article_id/262205 . It's currently the intermission between the 1st and 2nd Act Link to comment
Guest Posted June 19, 2018 Share Posted June 19, 2018 26 minutes ago, serephy said: I'm recording the livestream on my computer at the moment. The quality isn't amazing (particularly for sound) but I could post it unlisted to youtube if you'd like? This is the link that worked for me. https://tvkultura.ru/article/show/article_id/262205 . It's currently the intermission between the 1st and 2nd Act Got it! Thanks so much! Link to comment
Deflope Posted June 19, 2018 Share Posted June 19, 2018 This isn’t the graduation but an anniversary gala featuring students from various top academies plus the Bolshoi Vaganova alum doing variations of Paquita Link to comment
Buddy Posted June 19, 2018 Share Posted June 19, 2018 (edited) 8 hours ago, Drew said: It would never occur to me that Tsiskaridze wasn't "in command" so to speak or the person in charge; You were a step ahead of me on this one, Drew. I recall the condition that Altnai Asilmuratova was in when she 'left' the Vaganova. Edited June 19, 2018 by Buddy Link to comment
Laurent Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 5 hours ago, Buddy said: You were a step ahead of me on this one, Drew. I recall the condition that Altnai Asilmuratova was in when she 'left' the Vaganova. What condition was she in? Link to comment
Recommended Posts