Mme. Hermine Posted April 17, 2003 Share Posted April 17, 2003 I have seen some of the notes from the books that are up at Harvard, and have been told that they are not always complete in the sense that there are places where they might give, say, a movement pattern but not a step, etc. That's interesting in the context of the insistence by some, in the case of the Sleeping Beauty, that the Royal Ballet's previous version was the most correct because of its supposed reliance on these texts. I have to assume that whatever isnt there has to be filled in from memory/tradition, etc. Doug? How much is missing where? Link to comment
Alexandra Posted April 17, 2003 Share Posted April 17, 2003 I hope Doug will answer, but regarding the Royal's versions, they werre originally SET by Sergeyev, and since they're his notes, I assume that, as was the custom, he wrote down what he needed to write down (Bournonville's notes are the same; there are whole sections of a ballet missing). It isn't that the Royal found the notebooks and took them as a text. Link to comment
Mme. Hermine Posted April 17, 2003 Author Share Posted April 17, 2003 I'm going to backtrack a little; I don't like the way I sounded in that post! I guess the idea is that whatever wasn't written down was what he had in his head? I knew that he had originally set Sleeping Beauty himself but didn't know to what extent he had relied on the notes. Is there any indication of when these notes were made; i.e., how long before they were used in England? I didn't know there was a similar problem with Bournonville's notes! Link to comment
Alexandra Posted April 17, 2003 Share Posted April 17, 2003 Again, Doug will KNOW this and I only think I know it But I've read that Sergeyev wrote the ballets down before he left Russia. (And I've always assumed that the notes refer to the ballets as they were being staged in the teens, not the original productions.) Mme. Hermine, I think this was a 19th century balletmaster practice. They wrote down what they needed to; they weren't writing it down for someone else to stage. (And may well have guarded the notes very jealously; in the goodolddays you got to stage ballets because you could remember them) In Bournonville's case, many of the male roles are not notated, because Bournonville created them for himself and danced them, so he could rely on his memory. Link to comment
doug Posted June 11, 2003 Share Posted June 11, 2003 Sorry to be so slow on this. Sergeyev made a second career out of staging ballets with the help of the Stepanov notations he brought out of Russia. The notations aren't all in his hand. The earlier ones are better than the later ones that he made. Sergeyev's notations are mostly for legs and feet (with groundplan). Sometimes upper body movements are given, as well. Most of the formal dance numbers in Sleeping Beauty are notated in some form or other. But some are missing and other means must be used to determine what is the most "original", etc. Sergeyev staged a good part of Beauty for Diaghilev in 1921 and then staged the entire ballet for Sadler's Wells and later the International Ballet. I assume he had most of it in his head and used the notations as a guide to jog his memory. That said, the RB's Beauty (those parts that Sergeyev staged that are still danced, at least) is on the whole closer to what is given in the notations and what additional research about early Russian productions reveals than Konstantin Sergeyev's production for the Kirov circa 1952. We're getting to the point where research can really back up these assertions with solid fact. cheers, Doug Link to comment
R S Edgecombe Posted July 19, 2003 Share Posted July 19, 2003 Doug, I have some queries related to this topic of accuracy and transmission. I am extremely puzzled by the Russian practice of substituting the Gold waltz for Aurora's Act II variation. SURELY Tchaikovsky didn't sanction this? In an article in Dancing Times, Alastair Macaulay seemed to suggest it was already in place at the premiere. I can't square this with the dominant preparation (F) for the B flat melody, which, moreover, has a gentleness and tentativeness appropriate to a vision--qualities far removed from the confident, iterative, flashy waltz of gold. Does no Petipa text for the original variation survive? I love the Ashton version, but would be equally interested to know how MP set it. The substitution makes ABSOLUTELY no sense to me. Also, do any Sergeyev notes exist for the entrada to the Act III pas de deux? David Poole never staged it in his Cape Town, RB--derived production, and in many old recordings there is also a jarring transition from the A major and D major flourishes that prepare for the G of the vanished entrada to the C major of the pas de deux. Did Sergeyev indicate to the conductor how to get round this, and also the F-to-E flat solecism in the Vision scene? Link to comment
rg Posted July 19, 2003 Share Posted July 19, 2003 wiley's TCHAIKOVSKY'S BALLETS answers things like the aurora (vision) vari. in act 2. and yes to the best of my recollection petipa's premiere of SB included the substitution of the Gold vari. for aurora. thus the fairy suite of precious metals and stones in act 3 was given minus a solo for gold, as her music was already used. tchaik. may not have approved but he seems to have done nothing to prevent this. so far as is now known, i don't think there is anything to refute macaulay's assumption that ashton was the very first choreog. to choreograph a solo to the music that tchaik. actually wrote for the vision act. to confirm the tradition, the recent 'reconstruction' of the 1892 SB at the maryinsky included the gold vari. for aurora's vision solo. i trust more music/notation-savvy posts will be more thorough than i can be. Link to comment
Mel Johnson Posted July 19, 2003 Share Posted July 19, 2003 I will defer to Doug on this question, but I believe that the entrée of the grand pas de deux (Act III) never made it to the staging stage. If I recall correctly, there was sort of a penciled crossover line on the score, and in Drigo's hand, "coupez...a...(next page)ici et seguez." There was also a recapitulation of the principal theme of the adage on violins, with a sort of ostinato by the trombones, which occurred before the restatement following the so-called "fish dive" section, which is on trumpets blazing brightly above strings. It was just X'ed with a note in Petipa's hand, "Coupez". There's no harmonic incongruity, because the cut section was in the same key as the rest of the adage. Perhaps Petipa just felt that it made the thing too long?! Link to comment
Hans Posted July 19, 2003 Share Posted July 19, 2003 Did Ashton choreograph Aurora's Vision Scene variation before the Sergeyev production of 1952? Because in my video of Sizova (1964, but may have been choreographed before then), she performs Tchaikovsky's original music in the Vision Scene, not the Golden Fairy's music. Also, the entrée of the Act III adagio is staged in the video of SB w/ Asylmuratova--don't know if this is a different version, but it looks v. similar to the Sizova video. Link to comment
R S Edgecombe Posted July 19, 2003 Share Posted July 19, 2003 Thanks very much, Mel and RG, for this information, which depresses me no end. The question must then be asked, apropos of the Act II variation, and in a spelling I borrow from Patrick White, WHYYYYYYY? Link to comment
Hans Posted July 19, 2003 Share Posted July 19, 2003 As far as I know, it was felt that the Golden Fairy's music suited Carlotta Brianza (the original Aurora) better. I think in the Sergeyev production the Golden Fairy's music is used for the Lilac Fairy near the beginning of Act III--after the polonaise. If Sergeyev did indeed choreograph to the original vision scene music, he did a wonderful job--it is beautiful and appropriate. Link to comment
Mel Johnson Posted July 19, 2003 Share Posted July 19, 2003 Hans, it has been my impression, although I may be mistaken in this, that the Ashton variation for Act II was introduced in the 1946 Messel version of the ballet. Now, as to why no variation survives in the (N.) Sergeyev notations, it could well be simple personnel deployment problems - no notator available! As more and more of the Mariinsky archives become available, perhaps some more light will be thrown on the subject. Link to comment
doug Posted July 19, 2003 Share Posted July 19, 2003 Hi all, Yes, the Gold variation from Act III was interpolated in place of the original music for Aurora's variation in Act II. And this apparently was in place for the premiere. Just as Petipa made some concessions to Tchaikovsky, the composer did same for choreographer, and Petipa must have felt this was the thing to do, despite the incongruity of the music, aesthetic, etc. Drigo fashioned an extra couple bars of music to facilitate the modulation to the new key (E-flat). Wiley has published this music in his book. Doesn't make sense to me either, but there you go. Ashton did choreography this solo, as did Balanchine for Patricia McBride in the 1970s - I am assuming he choreographed the original music. Someone needs to ask her if she remembers it. The intrada. Sketchy info here, but some concrete notation. We know that the Gold and Sapphire fairies (who variations were eliminated from the jewels pas de quatre) participated in the now-so-called "grand pas de deux," which was actually also a pas de quatre. The music to which the fairies danced is in question. There is notation for the fairies, and it is quite clear choreographically. My thinking at the moment is they danced to the intrada, but perhaps after the adagio (I thikn WIley suggests this). It is also *just possible* (my assertion here) that they danced the first 32 counts of the coda. The notation of the coda begins with Aurora's diagonal entrance, about 32 counts into the music, at least as we know the choreography today. It's possible the fairies danced in the coda before her entrance. I have all this info lying around but haven't really looked hard at it. Some speculation required, unfortunately. Re the Beauty notations in general. Yes, they are in Sergeyev's hand (unlike the Bayadere notations, although the Kirov claims they are in Sergeyev's hand). Sergeyev regularly include groundplans and foot/leg work, very occasionally arms, torso and head. Of course, the foot/legwork is needed most. A few other notators are represented in the Beauty notations, as well, but just contributing one or two numbers, or a second notation version of something. Fishdives are not in the pas de deux notation. Wiley has documented all cuts in the music, as well as metronome markings - invaluable stuff! Link to comment
Hans Posted July 19, 2003 Share Posted July 19, 2003 Let me see if I understand this properly. The gold and sapphire fairies may have performed the intrada from the Precious Stones and Metals pas de quatre after the adagio of Aurora and Désiré, in which the two fairies also danced? If that was indeed the case, did the diamond and silver fairies simply perform their variations and then the coda, without the intrada? However, if the gold and sapphire fairies danced in the coda before Aurora's entrance, Prince Désiré really didn't have much to do at all, at least until the Legats came along, I suppose. Isn't there supposed to be a notation of the Act III variation Sergei Legat performed that is even more difficult than the choreography we have now? To confuse things even more if Balanchine choreographed to Aurora's original Vision Scene variation music, why doesn't NYCB perform it when they do SB? Link to comment
Mel Johnson Posted July 19, 2003 Share Posted July 19, 2003 Right, I just used the "fishdives" section as a piece of music we can all identify. They were added to the pas de deux for the 1921 Diaghilev revival, and one of the "Princesses" (He called it "The Sleeping Princess" because, he said unchivalrously, he had no "beauties" to put forward as Aurora) refused outright to do them - I think it was Trefilova. I'm still waiting to find that "N. Sergeyev" was scheduled to attend rehearsals of "The Little Hump-Backed Horse" or something, while he should have been full-time at "Beauty". Administrative incompetence knows neither time nor place! "Never ascribe to malice those things which are as easily explained by stupidity." Mark Twain Now, as to why NYCB doesn't do something that Mr. B. staged, I guess you'll have to ask Peter Martins. Link to comment
Leigh Witchel Posted July 19, 2003 Share Posted July 19, 2003 Hans According to the Catalogue of Works, Balanchine did the Vision Scene variation for McBride in 1977 for a production of the Sleeping Beauty staged by Andre Eglevsky for his own Eglevsky Ballet. Her prince was Peter Schaufuss. It wasn't unheard of for Balanchine to assist one of his ballerinas at their request when they were working outside the company - my guess is that's what happened here. (Balanchine did something similar for Patricia Neary in Beriozoff's production of the Swan Lake in Geneva in the late '60s) Link to comment
doug Posted July 19, 2003 Share Posted July 19, 2003 Hans, the intrada music I am referring to is the intrada of the pas de deux, rather than the intrada of the jewels pas de quatre. The jewels intrada remained in place; thje question here is whether the pas de deux intrada was danced by Gold and Sapphire, possibly after the pas de deux adagio. Yes, Desire's Act III variation is notated with Sergei Legat's name written at the head of the notation. The variation is very difficult; I like it. There are many connecting steps between the larger combinations. It's fairly non-stop and I've never seen it performed, but taught it to a dancer just once. Link to comment
Hans Posted July 19, 2003 Share Posted July 19, 2003 Okay Doug, that makes more sense . For the sake of clarity, perhaps we could all differentiate between the jewels "intrada" and the "entrée" before the grand adagio? The Sergeyev production seems to contain a vestige of the fairies in the entrée, but it is placed before the adagio and includes all four fairies of the precious stones and metals as well as two pages and several cavaliers--I forget the exact number; I think there are 6. Leigh, thank you for that info. I would really like to see that variation, though I doubt anyone's going to perform it. Link to comment
R S Edgecombe Posted July 19, 2003 Share Posted July 19, 2003 How wonderful to have all this expertise and knowledge at one's disposal. Alexandra, THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU. Hans, I understood Doug to say that Gold and Sapphire danced the entrada to the grand pas de deux, in addition to, and by implication long after, their entrada to the gems and metals pas de quatre. But I might be confused. It's becoming clear, though, that Petipa's pas de deux weren't as monolithic and formulaic as they became in C20 practice. There were loose ends and transients. I know, for example, that the pas de deux in DQ was a pas de quatre in the Moscow version, and the Kirov still has coryphees dancing the extended entrada that Ouboukov's Western version trims to a get-on-stage flourish. Did the conversion of the Blue Bird/Florine pas de quatre get boiled down to a pas de deux before the premiere, or was the first movement still cluttered up with Cinderella and Fortune? PS Notably absent from the Kirov DQ pas de deux (pas de quatre manque) is the hopping solo--a la Grahn in THE Pas de quatre--in G major. And does anybody know where Ouboukov got the E flat variation music--the one with the diagonal of pas de cheval? Was it filched from another Minkus score? It's a handwritten MS supplement--labelled only as "Kitri's Variation: The Fan"--in the Dance Books reprint. The trouble is, according to Kirov, Kitri's variation is properly the G major waltz, the one during which she does those fascinating turned-forward assembles. PPS I was fascinated to learn from Mel that the poissons only made a splash in the Diaghilev revival. Obviously things were souped up quite a bit then, for that's when Nijinska installed the twist into Violente's port de bras. Preobrajenska's comment: Bizarre! Tres bizarre!--or, as Jody Foster says in Alice Doesn't Live Here Anymore, Weird, very weird! And Dame Ninette was convinced that there were fouettes of the 32ish kind (quelle scandale!) in the vision scene. Link to comment
R S Edgecombe Posted July 19, 2003 Share Posted July 19, 2003 How strange! While I was writing my post, Leigh gave us information about the McBride variation (how I should LOVE to see that), and Doug was answering Hans. Please forgive me, I wasn't being redundant! Link to comment
Mel Johnson Posted July 19, 2003 Share Posted July 19, 2003 That's how we can tell we have lively discussions around here; the posts keep topping one another! Now, as far as I know, Cecchetti did his wheeling and dealing with Petipa before the premiere of Beauty. The pas de quatre was changed to the pas de deux we know now and the Cinderella and Prince Fortuné pas de deux was a comic aside with the prince ever approaching Cindy with the shoe and she always blowing his hat off with her bellows. I can certainly say that having the pas de deux in Act III become a mini-grand pas is a good idea, at least from the man's point of view. It certainly beats having to dance the variation right after some very demanding partnering. Even a forty-five second variation and time for a bow is enough to rally oneself. Nijinska is usually credited/blamed for the interpolation of the fishdives, and she's also responsible for the Florestan pas de trois and Innocent Ivan and his Brothers (obviously on furlough from "Hump-Backed Horse"). The pas de trois provides yet another alternative use for the Jewels and Precious Stones music. And I'll be switched if I can positively identify where "The Fan" came from. I've seen the Kirov use both, and I didn't mind one way or the other. Link to comment
R S Edgecombe Posted July 19, 2003 Share Posted July 19, 2003 Mel, does that mean that the pas de trois one sees in Aurora's Wedding, the last segment of An Evening with the Royal Ballet is by Nijinska? I had always thought Ashton was responsible, though clearly the (silve)r polka and (diamond) galop are largely recensions of the Petipa originals. And now I MUST tear myself away from this enchanting Aladdin's cave of a website. Goodness knows what my ISP and phone bills are going to be at the end of the month!!! Link to comment
Mel Johnson Posted July 19, 2003 Share Posted July 19, 2003 That's right. That pas de trois is Nijinska's. And if you'll notice, she leaned heavily on the pas de trois in Act I Swan for it. The variations are Petipa but the intrada and coda are all hers. Link to comment
Hans Posted July 20, 2003 Share Posted July 20, 2003 I saw a very old film of Kitri's variation (with the harp) a little while ago (it did not culminate in pas de cheval en pointe as one version does). I think this is the original variation, but the Kirov often substitutes the waltz variation because it is more substantive. I have a lot of different variations from Don Q on tape, but not one with hops...? Link to comment
rg Posted July 21, 2003 Share Posted July 21, 2003 interesting mel, this attribution to nijinska of the 'florestan pas de trois' david vaughan's 'FA and his ballets' says the following, under a 1946 entry for THE SLEEPING BEAUTY - produced by Nicholas Sergeyev after the choreography of Marius Petipa, with additions by Frederick Ashton and Ninette de Valois: Act III FLORESTAN AND HIS TWO SISTERS: Moira Shearer, Gerd Larsen, Michael Somes (first woman's variation by Marius Petipa, from 'Jewels pas de quatre'; from 20 january 1950 the programme credit for this pas de trois read: by Frederick Ashton after Petipa) Does the credit for this trio as Nijinska's work come down through some Nijinska literature? I'd love to read more about this credit, etc. Link to comment
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