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She has just as much right to as anyone else has to state their opinion. Why are you entitled to a view and she is not?

He drugged and raped a 13 year old and fled sentencing. Why Deneuve defended someone guilty of such acts is not really worth spending a lot of time musing over, in my opinion. The niceties are a bit beside the point.

He beat his wife. He was charged with that. Just because she didn't ultimately prosecute him doesn't mean that this event didn't happen as far as most reasonable people are concerned.

I'm pretty sure she didn't decide that. To reach that conclusion from this article (open letter) is an immense reach. She has made her own judgment (as we all do) of the situation based on her experience in the company and her knowledge of people involved.

I don't see that it is her place or responsibility to tell other peoples' stories. Besides that explicitly wasn't the point of this piece. She is addressing the dancers, not writing to provide you with new proof of Martins' guilt. She is clearly starting from the belief (based on her many years at he company) that he is guilty.

Judging by this thread? No

I did read it. You say her only claim was that he gave her a drug that made her woozy. That is it. So basically, you don't believe victims. Or at least you think nothing can usually be done even if a man is guilty. Your last extremely victim-blaming statement is very telling "In doing so, she would have to admit that she traded sex with a married man for advancement." I'm done interacting with you.

This is Beverly Johnson's account, You are right he didn't sexually assault her. But your dismissal of it as "oh he just drugged her" is not in keeping with what she claimed. https://www.vanityfair.com/culture/2014/12/bill-cosby-beverly-johnson-story Also while I hate to cite wiki, it is useful here in providing a full account of the women, the accusations and when they came forward (many came forward a long time ago, but their accounts went unpublished / police took little action): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Cosby_sexual_assault_allegations You seem to not realize most women who are raped do not go to the police because of how victims are treated. Who keeps detailed records of sexual liaisons? There usually are no witnesses....I realize you are speaking of Martins here but I don't see how a level of proof that would convince you of anything is even possible...

This is a highly bizarre account of the accusers and trial of Cosby. You omit for example he is being retried shortly. I'm not sure this comparison does Martins any favors...

Your wording implied it. If I misunderstood you (I did not misread), my sincere apologies.

And he beat her and apparently humiliated her by cheating on her with other members of the company (*as per statements in the articles re: the charges against him). Lots of people stay in abusive relationships, especially perhaps if, as is the case here, they grew up with an abusive relationship as an example. It doesn't negate the fact that they are abusive. Here he was not only her spouse, he was her boss. It would be unusually difficult to leave even had she wanted to.

I'm only going by your posts, and you singled it out as the mothers' responsibility. You can accept it or not. And you have done nothing but exonerate Martins.

You are exonerating him of responsibility while blaming their parents (particularly their MOTHERS). The sexism of your statements is astonishing.

He was an adult when they started dating. If you can't tell the difference that is on you. I have no problem with age differences in couples if both parties are ADULT when they start dating. I'm sure all the women who are accusing Weinstein, etc. will appreciate your belief that it is too late to start litigating the issue now. PS: it isn't their mothers' responsibility to control Martins, it is his misbehavior and HIS responsibility

34 dating a 16 year old. That he didn't proclaim himself a moral authority or claim biblical authority for his acts doesn't change that. If your only problem with Moore was his hypocrisy I really don't know what to say.

There are actually laws preventing adults from dating 16 year olds so we don't need to worry about legislating. If you had a 16yo daughter you would be fine with her dating a 34 year old man? And this wasn't the 20s or the 50s. This was not a sexually repressed time. He lived (also when he was an adult) with his 16yo gf Heather Watts. Are people going to argue that wasn't a sexual relationship? I mean I suppose that is possible, but it seems highly unlikely. You don't have to be a creep to be a good artist. But that isn't really what this is about. The issue of "can one enjoy great art made by horrible people?" applies to people like Wagner and Kevin Spacey. This case isn't about rejecting Martins' art (his dancing days are over, and his choreography is lousy), it is that he shouldn't be in a position where he is able to continue such behavior. Nor do you have to be an artist to be a creep, for that matter. Did you think the behavior described by Roy Moore, which was denounced almost across the board was acceptable? This is virtually the same thing, yet because he is an "artist" people here seem to want to give him a pass.

Honestly, sex or no sex, I find it absolutely horrifying that so many here think a 34 year old man dating a girl less than half his age is reasonable or acceptable.

No one would reasonably describe a group of colleagues going out to eat as dating. Dating is an activity undertaken (normally) by 2 people. In this case a person who was 16 and one who was 34. This is precisely the pedophilia activity that there was just outrage against by anyone with any morals in Alabama. I think condemning that is quite proportional. What is not reasonable is extrapolating from this that anyone is suggesting no dancers under 18. What is to be expected is that men over 2x their age will not date them, since it is illegal.

So she was 16, and he was 34. More than 2x her age... I have no issue with large age differences when both parties are adults, but there is a word for a 30+ year old dating a 16yo and it isn't a nice one.

As do I (as I said before), and I don't believe a director saying in a frank way that it would be best if a little weight was lost is what people are making an accusation out of.

who says he caused anorexia? Not that NYT article. Where are you getting this?

As I understand it, he was accused of berating and bodyshaming people. You can tell a dancer that they need to lose weight without doing either of those things. Their feelings may be hurt, but dancers know the deal. I remember an uproar here over Macaulay's review mocking Jennifer Ringer's weight--I'm not sure why people are bending over backwards in this thread to let Martins off the hook.

It is a question worth asking, but since no information at all has been offered up to the public, it is hardly a surprise that people aren't willing to write off a beloved dancer (and among his peers, friend clearly) without any knowledge of what happened. I also would point out not all victims of the metoo movement have been treated to nothing but accolades. https://www.vanityfair.com/style/2017/10/asia-argento-harvey-weinstein-italian-backlash

You ignored all the following more specific accounts of abuse by Martins.

Agreed. Moreover as has been noted before, the difference in rep plays a large role in the difference in casting policy between ABT and NYCB. You'll notice that in mixed bill pieces, ABT does give leads to soloists and corps members with regularity. Carrying off a full length, however, both in terms of stamina and stage presence is another matter. I'm not saying people shouldn't bemoan dancers they love not getting a shot, but having sat through Hammoudi in full lengths (or Cory Stearns, esp. early on) I'd say a conservative approach is not necessarily horrible.