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It seems like her chances of winning her case against Finlay are slim to none since the statute requires ‘proof of intent to cause financial or emotional harm’. Whilst sharing the photos may have been wrong, it’s a stretch to imagine that was his intent.

Yes but think about it, the men don’t have money, the institutions do. Her lawyer deals with cases in the millions of dollars, he wasn’t representing her to get justice against some dancers in my opinion.

Cheers to you. For those above who disagreed with my prior post about the perception of what violence against someone means. If I said that OnPointe had ‘committed and incited violent acts to be done against me and was a sexual predator’, I highly doubt you would perceive that as he/she had asked to see naked photos of me.

To suggest that an opinion and a factual statement have no difference is preposterous. Words have meanings and words have consequences.

People are allowed to ‘feel’ anyway they like, in which case somebody says ‘I feel.......’ not ‘he is......’ or ‘he did......’

It’s the meaning that a normal person viewing any of this would come to conclude.

Not what I said, I was purely stating that her comment that Amar specifically asked for ‘the violence’ to be done against her makes no sense. In the sense that all of this is somehow Amar’s fault. It sounds like she’s saying that Finlay created material to share with him at his request.

Of course it matters. Waterbury stated that Amar “specifically asked for this violence to be done against me”. Again, is asking for a photo of someone ‘violence’, and if her photos had already been shared prior to Amar asking, his actions didn’t contribute to anything that hadn’t already happened.

This is why words matter. If you’re trying to get someone fired your message and reasoning needs to be clear. One thing that was pointed out in a comment on social media that I totally overlooked is that in the lawsuit Waterbury says that on May 15th 2017 she discovered her image was being shared, yet it wasn’t until May 21st that Amar asked Finlay to send her photo. What happened in those 6 or more days? Presumably Waterbury remained with Finlay if she was able to retrieve more messages from his laptop at a later date.

Here’s one from Waterbury herself, again using plurality. ”You have manipulated the women you violated into claiming they consented”

Another example from the Wssprotest people. They definitely intentionally use plurals to indicate this was a larger incident than it was.

Take a look at the messages that get posted on West Side Stories social media pages then. These are not individual cases. A lot of people seem to believe that Amar either took photos of Waterbury and shared them or he physically assaulted Waterbury.

Just to be clear, this is the type of rhetoric the misleading petition has lead to:

Let’s look at this from another viewpoint. Had the petition only stated Waterbury’s grievance that Amar asked her boyfriend for her naked photos, would people pay as much attention? There was no incentive for Waterbury to change any of the language in the petition if a) she isn’t culpable for any defamation from it and b) it helped get more protesters involved.

But Waterbury stands arm in arm with that woman at the protests as well as promotes her petition in her Instagram bio. We can reasonably assume that she has read the petition and since she knows her personally, would be easy to correct.

I have posted the Change.org petition below which Alexandra has actively participated in, both as a protestor and linking to it via her social media. The texts quoted were written by Chase Finlay, not Amar, which is the first misleading point. It states that he has violated ‘countless women with intent to violate more’. This is also misleading, there were only two women involved with Amar’s participation and any texts speaking of intent were from Finlay or Loghitano, not Amar. Whilst Waterbury didn’t start this petition she has made no efforts to clarify or amend these points. “Last year, dancer Alexandra Waterbury, a former student at the School of American Ballet, found out that her then-boyfriend, principal dancer with New York City Ballet, Chase Finlay, along with several other dancers including fellow principal Amar Ramasar, had been taking pictures and videos of dancers engaging in sexual acts with them and sending them around. Alexandra was not aware that these pictures and videos had been taken, and she definitely had not consented for them to be shared. The texts that have been released from these dancers are truly vile, and snippets that have been released include "You have any pictures of girls you’ve f*cked? I’ll send you some . . . ballerina girls I’ve made scream and squirt," and "fucked a 20-year-old ballerina and her sister! That was my first threesome with family members. It was incredible!" I am sure that I am not the only person for whom this has struck a cord. Although the dancers were fired by New York City Ballet shortly after the incident, this decision was shortly after rejected, and they were rehired with virtually no consequences. I am shocked and appalled, and although I hope that Alexandra and other victims will get the justice they deserve come a trial next year, there is something we can do now. West Side Story opens on Broadway on February 20, and Amar Ramasar, one of the main parties involved in the picture and video exchange, is starring as Bernardo. There is no reason why someone who has taken advantage of his power and violated countless women, while stating his intent to violate more, should be able to show his face onstage. Please join me in protesting his position in the musical by signing this petition. Every signature and share is so appreciated and so important. Help make sure that the theater remains a place where EVERYONE can feel safe, and help get Amar Ramasar off the stage.”

Ah yes I understand what you’re saying. Similar to the term jail bait. I agree it will be interesting to see if there are any legal rebuttals to her public facing stories/posts.

She said in the same story where she said “these men are pedophiles”, that “pictures had to be investigated for underage people”. So there’s proof that she understands the distinction right there. To the extent that nobody was arrested and charged as a child sex offender I think it’s obvious that this didn’t occur. Amar’s lawyer recently stated that Alexandra and the protesters have been throwing words around as if they have no meaning.

Perhaps, but it doesn’t seem likely for somebody studying at Columbia University to not know the difference.

I disagree since nobody involved in any of the accusations was a minor, how did his actions make him anything close to a pedophile? She was an adult. In one of her stories she boldly stated “these men are pedophiles”. This doesn’t seem like an opinion, it is a strong and false accusation.

I don’t see how making an accusation of someone being a pedophile can be considered ‘her opinion’. Either you are or you aren’t.

I did see that Alexandra used the word pedophile to describe Amar. I think he may have a strong case against her there.