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  1. I agree with his point, however I think a comparison between actual performances would have been more appropriate than using a clip that was likely done "for fun". Though maybe his intention was merely having a visual example of any kind and not passing judgment.
  2. Quite lovely post by Gillian Murphy https://twitter.com/gillianemurphy/status/616306134828347392 CinderStella
  3. I do not intend to discuss the discussion for long, but I wanted to add that part of the issue is also that users in this discussion have to handle different sorts of replies and claims all at once. Just now I noticed how I first explained why some might take more issue with Misty's "lying" rather than David Hallberg's "lying" because that was the topic at that moment - even though I do not believe in them lying either, in the heat of the moment I just forgot to mention that in my post. After that it got all focused on the "lying" and I failed to take a step back and clarify that it's all just in case someone assumes both are lying which isn't necessarily true. It's a very entangled matter.
  4. Yes, thank you, this is what I meant. I agree with your second statement as well; and I wasn't even expressing my own views on this matter exactly, but wanted to offer an explanation as you said. Some might also be more inclined to make excuses for the fame part as long as it is not connected to ranks and promotions. In Misty's case, many issues are intertwined while for other dancers who share some points of criticism, it's more clear-cut it seems.
  5. It is not okay. But one accusation less. Misty: Lying AND possibly earning her rank by it (again, just a fear that some express; it might play a role, not be the sole reason). David Hallberg: Lying. Why do you assume I think it is okay to lie as long as you "earn your rank"? Also very interesting.
  6. Hallberg did not earn his rank as principal dancer because of his claim while it is feared that Misty's claim might play a role when she gets promoted - not being the sole reason however. Criticism is aimed at Misty on various levels, not just one and mostly parallels to other dancers can only be found on one of several levels. Some regarding Hallberg, some regarding Hee Seo and Isabella Boylston etc.
  7. On the DVD of the Royal Ballet featuring Federico Bonelli and Lauren Cuthbertson in the title roles, you can also see the lifts being done without the arm support, at around 5:50 of this clip. Not sure now if it's the same lift we're talking about, but at the 6:15 mark of the clip posted by nysusan, not both arms are lifted skywards but maybe Amour didn't mean really upright towards the sky anyway.
  8. Daniil Simkin yesterday posted this photo of Gillian Murphy as a crying Myrtha after Julie Kent's last Giselle on his Instagram. https://instagram.com/p/3Mq6IeBa1I/?taken-by=daniil
  9. Moonlily

    Misty Copeland

    They get criticized for their dancing and their promotion is also met with criticism of McKenzie. Misty gets criticized for a combination of her dancing and something else. So it's pretty clear to me why Misty gets some criticism that the others don't get.
  10. I did not say she is claiming she is. even if her claims were speaking of a different place and time However I think it can be unrightfully perceived as if she's insinuating she did not have technical struggles as an obstacle by shifting the focus to racism. And on the other hand, perceiving it as if her status as soloist, not principal, could very well be due to racism as well. It's not what Misty is doing explicitly, but what people do with it. And I am unsure about whether Misty is aware of it. I think it is very much possible. Sorry for any misunderstandings as English is not my first language.
  11. In Misty's case, I think there's also the issue of two different matters being perceived as somewhat related, even though they might not be and this is not even intended. Though I believe that at least Misty should be aware of the possibility of it happening. 1) A lot of people seem to think she doesn't meet the demands for dancing prinicpal roles in classical pieces, technically speaking. According to what they themselves have witnessed regarding her dancing. 2) Misty claims she has been denied opportunities due to racism. -> Rightfully so or not rightfully so, to some it may seem like she's ignoring "real" reasons for not being cast in certain roles and instead assuming there's racism, even if her claims were speaking of a different place and time. I think it would at least partly be perceived differently if people had a different view of her dancing. Doesn't mean that her claims are untrue, just that it's an unfortunate combination.
  12. I was just wondering because in my personal experience, I don't encounter this idea of role models who have the same skin colour, and therefore it was striking me as strange that it is such a big topic elsewhere, and in internet debates as well. That's how I found out about that issue in the first place, even though I myself am part of a darker skinned community as well as part of the "ballet community". Or is it such a subconscious issue that one isn't really aware of it when it happens? It is true that dance is a visual medium and colour is a visual aspect as well, so I see the connection. Yet the paramount importance of it over everything else is still striking to me. Just because someone has the same skin colour as me, it doesn't mean there is much similarity otherwise. For example, I rather stick to a role model who is an amazing artist on stage despite being rather shy and an introvert because I am like that myself, or anything like that. These are matters where I personally feel a deeper connection than through skin colour. It would be wonderful if there were so many dark skinned ballerinas that you'd naturally also find a person who has more similarities to you than your skin colour of course, but in my eyes, it simply isn't such a strong aspect and there can be other things that are more important when it comes to choosing a role model. I can imagine it can be very encouraging in a situation in which I encounter racism or discouragement because of my skin colour. Like a teacher telling me I am not suitable for a certain role or to become a ballet dancer even, just because I am dark. In such a case I can look up to a role model. Seeing how she proved everyone wrong, how she made it, how the statements of my teacher simply aren't true. But is this really very common? I don't know, and I hope it isn't. But if it is, then yes, I can understand the importance of role models. But not so much when it simply comes to the "normal" circumstances of ballet.
  13. As I am also from a minority, but can't identify with the idea of having a "role model" that has the same physique and/or skin colour as myself, I wonder: Is colour really always the main aspect that draws young girls to a certain person as a role model? Is it necessary that I see someone looking like myself on a stage? It surely is something that stands out and something you can identify immediately, sure, I get that. But usually there is more information circulating and which is available to people if you have a slight interest in ballet and ballet dancers. For example: Being from a rural area with fewer training facilities, I can look up to a role model who's from the same region and made it despite the relative hardships, as opposed to someone who's from a big city and has lots of excellent schools to choose from right from the beginning. Or economically weak families in general. Or orphans. Or whatever else. There are so many different aspects in a person that can truly inspire me. But it seems like the only thing that it all comes down to in internet discussions is colour. And everything else seems to disappear. Is it really because colour is immediately visible right at first sight? Is it because colour is just so much more important to many people when it comes to choosing a role model than it is to me? I get that maybe I can assume there are racist structures behind something if there aren't any dancers of colour and therefore I feel discouraged to try it in that certain field. But that in my eyes is something different from just having role models available.
  14. The official trailer has been posted to the distributor's channel on youtube. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9AEZkXnjwY (I'm always a bit insecure about posting links on here, whether it's appropriate in the thread or not, so please remove if not allowed.) There are some snippets from the work on stage which look really exciting in my opinion. I have no idea however how it would all come together on screen, with those "other scenes".
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