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Chase Johnsey leaves Trocks for wanting to transition

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16 hours ago, Mashinka said:

I saw him the corps on Wednesday, perhaps he wants to settle in before attempting bigger things?

There are a number of considerations here, which may include a deliberate attempt to ramp up, the company's trade-offs around a potential media circus vs. keeping focus on the production -- ballet and lots of company dancers -- and that Deborah MacMillan keeps tight control over her late husband's ballets.

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On 6/15/2018 at 8:09 AM, canbelto said:

Well if you don't know what his real story is why are you jumping to such negative assumptions and assume he has a "gender identity" crisis?

My subjective perception of Johnsey comes from my experience working in a sex reassignment surgery floor-(one of the very few in this country)- for four years.  Gender dysphoria is quite a 7 heads monster that definitely stays out of public vision. 

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20 hours ago, Mashinka said:

I saw him the corps on Wednesday, perhaps he wants to settle in before attempting bigger things?

I thought that came across in the Dance Magazine interview where he made his comments about class with lady dancers.

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6 hours ago, cubanmiamiboy said:

My subjective perception of Johnsey comes from my experience working in a sex reassignment surgery floor-(one of the very few in this country)- for four years.  Gender dysphoria is quite a 7 heads monster that definitely stays out of public vision. 

There are all sorts of medical reasons for gender dysphoria ... One is the old medical practice of making a genetic male with "intersex" genitals a girl at birth, others are the East German female athletes who were pumped with so much performance enhancing steroids that they eventually chose to live as men.

However, there is zero evidence that Chase Johnsey is suffering from any of these medical symptoms. It seems as if his old company didn't allow his self-expression and so is trying to find a new artistic home. He is not undergoing sex reassignment surgery, he is not even changing his gender identity. So IMO these concerns are baseless. 

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1 hour ago, canbelto said:

One is the old medical practice of making a genetic male with "intersex" genitals a girl at birth

It's not as simple as that, and it's not so old as a practice: former Surgeon General Joycelyn Elders trained under pediatric surgeon in the '60's who specialized in the practice of consulting the parents and performing the alignment surgeries based on a wide number of factors, almost all concerning the best way they thought the child outside the physical and genetic binary would be accepted.  In the context of the time it was thought to be the most compassionate option -- Elders wrote extensively about this in her memoir -- but, within a few decades, the issues this raised, including dysphoria and human rights violations, led to a shift, which didn't change overnight.  

I've read and heard (news/podcasts) a lot of stories recently of young people in particular who have told their mothers/parents that they are transgender, only to have their mothers/parents apologize for not having disclosed that history -- which would also mean that some medical people who knew were hiding this from their patients and others, including therapists, were never aware of a major part of their patient's medical history  -- and for having made the decision, often having thought over the years watching their child evolve, that they made the wrong decision.  Given the general awareness of the transgender community now, I would expect a lot of recognition of dysphoria that was suppressed inwardly and outwardly, ignored, misdiagnosed, and dismissed.   It might very well be that symptom is being mistaken for the cause.

Like many things, what is considered "compassionate," whether for the benefit of the deciders or the decided for, changes.  For example, is a very different decision to insist someone be closeted today, at least in the US, Canada, and Western Europe, than it was even 30 years ago, because the context, while hardly perfect or easy, has changed, and even parents who fear for their children where they are living know that there are places where their children can live openly, and that is not just in major metropolitan cities.

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3 hours ago, canbelto said:

So IMO these concerns are baseless. 

They can't certainly be proven, I give you that. I just hope the world could really "see" and act sometimes beyond the evidence-based criteria so necessary help-(many times not asked for)- could be offered. But you are totally right. There is not proof whatsoever that Johnsey has any conflict, as the legal terminology goes, "beyond reasonable doubt".

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It's extremely controversial and more often than not considered a professional violation when a mental health professional makes diagnoses without actually having specific knowledge of the person, and there is HIPPA law around speaking about cases where the medical professional does.  In any case, it is a clearly dangerous cliff to be hanging on to do so.

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10 hours ago, cubanmiamiboy said:

My subjective perception of Johnsey comes from my experience working in a sex reassignment surgery floor-(one of the very few in this country)- for four years.  Gender dysphoria is quite a 7 heads monster that definitely stays out of public vision. 

Gender dysphoria does indeed present itself in multiple ways, and the people who grapple with it have used many different tools, both in the past and currently.  One of them is gender affirmation surgery, and thank you for working with that cohort.  But as you know, not all trans people choose that pathway. 

As someone who's watched the Trocks for many years, it's been fascinating to see the company evolve from a group where the cross dressing was the main point of the humor to something much more complex.  Part of me wishes that Johnsey hadn't needed to leave the group -- his highly refined sense of classical style was a real asset in the more subtle aspects of their repertory.  But as we're constantly reminded, a dancer's performing life is short, and they need to follow their opportunities.  I'm looking forward to seeing what happens next for him, and also for the Trocks.

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On 6/17/2018 at 3:40 PM, sandik said:

Gender dysphoria does indeed present itself in multiple ways, and the people who grapple with it have used many different tools, both in the past and currently.  One of them is gender affirmation surgery, and thank you for working with that cohort.  But as you know, not all trans people choose that pathway. 

As someone who's watched the Trocks for many years, it's been fascinating to see the company evolve from a group where the cross dressing was the main point of the humor to something much more complex.  Part of me wishes that Johnsey hadn't needed to leave the group -- his highly refined sense of classical style was a real asset in the more subtle aspects of their repertory.  But as we're constantly reminded, a dancer's performing life is short, and they need to follow their opportunities.  I'm looking forward to seeing what happens next for him, and also for the Trocks.

Amen to that. And thanks for the sensitive response. Much appreciated this days...🤗

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Chase Johnsey is speaking to the London Ballet Circle (Civil Servants Club on Great Scotland Yard, 7.30 pm on 9th July) so that should I think prove interesting.  It is only £8 for guests should anyone wish to attend.  

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