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papeetepatrick

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    Pianist, writer, avid balletgoer, adventurer
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  1. Dancers Who Smoke

    The name's Land. Brooke Land.
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    Why is it wise? For the tested and his outcome, or for the truth? Or, do you mean the authorities, the police are likely to corruptly falsify? My questions have to be answered or the 'in fairness to Mr. Martins' may mean something, but I haven't any idea what that might be. Here was the description in the papers at the time, that was very familiar in all the reports about 'struck the curb', etc., as, for instance, the Wall Street Journal: And he didn't even GET charged with DUI or DWI, as the NYTimes reported some 10 days after the incident: So, with swerving all over the place, he ended up with a $300 fine. In legal terms, therefore, he is not even guilty of a 'dumb mistake' or what-have-you DUI. We call it 'DUI' of 'DWI', but that's not what it is/was officially. He's guilty of 'admitting to driving while his ability was impaired'. There was also lots of high dudgeon round these parts when Nilas Martins made his plea deal, based on 'protecting someone else'. There was heard by his lawyer "He does not use drugs. He has not used drugs. He will never, ever use drugs," Jones said. But he had to do some alcohol and drug 'evaluation' (I don't know whether that went anywhere.) I thought that was pretty innocuous by comparison, just an illegal substance in a parked car, but some were concerned about the other person, also a NYCB dancer, as I recall.
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    And remember, for the record, that Martins refused a breath test. Does one refuse this more likely for having been just a little over the legal limit or perhaps a good bit or even a lot over? You have a lot to lose or a lot to gain if you choose to have one, but if you refuse one (I remember not being aware that you could do so, but nobody answered me on that), you may look suspicious, but that's still the less risky choice if you HAVE imbibed excessively.
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    You (and others) are ignoring the fact that many people rent their apartments and many rental agreements now preclude smoking in said apartments. So unless you are rich enough to own abode, you cannot smoke in your "private spaces." Exactement. And a couple of years ago, an elderly woman smoker somewhere in Silicon Valley, CA, had to leave her apt. and go to a nearby park to smoke. I don't know if smoking is outlawed in her park by now. Probably. And even in multi-dwelling buildings, people complain of smoke that is not even possibly being diverted into their apartments--as from apts. ABOVE and with a window taking the smoke out. Such is the nature of the new mores, though. I think one of Pamela's many excellent observations was that some of this is also just particularly 'fashionable', and it's often practised by those who don't mind making you hear all their private cellphone conversations (I certainly don't mind being the one to 'move' when I'm stuck hearing these Reality TV Cellphone businesses.)
  5. Dancers Who Smoke

    They've already moved. They still often move, in order not to bother non-smokers. Onc person's anecdotes from awhile ago have not changed that. Both should show consideration, or you just go for the legislation, get smoking prohibited. Nothing else will do.
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    And it has not been exacerbated in all cases. People used to smoke on the street and outdoors far more than they do now, no matter that there weren't the prohibitions in offices and restaurants. At least they don't smoke in New York on the street to nearly the degree they used to. PLUS--there are already cases of people being complained about in multi-dwelling units and 'having to go outside to smoke', so that will hearten all the anti-smoking contingent. There was an elderly lady written up in NYT a few years ago living somewhere in Silicon Valley that this happened to, and she started smoking on park benches, but I don't know if they've yet banned smoking in parks in that part of CA.
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    Of course I agree with this, but I chose this piece of post because it's so well-written Well written but inaccurate. In my experience, supposition that doesn't begin with presuming the best motives and seeing if those don't provide adequate explanation usually results in a false understanding. In this case, it's not ego that makes people object to a bad example - someone who has enough perspective to recognize a bad example is unlikely to be influenced by it - it's concern for others, particularly the young. I'm fairly sure Simon was not using the word 'ego' in the same sense you are, but he can clarify for sure if he wants to. He was using the phrase 'egotistically fragile' in a different sort of way which I assume is more subtle than when one is talking about 'too much ego' or just 'ego-driven' or 'selfish' or what have you. If you want the example I was thinking of, it was in one of Joan Didion's essays in The White Album, but that's all I'll say, it's in one of the essays there; to be specific would only add fuel to the already raging controversy. My reading of Simon's 'egotistically fragile' was that he was referring to 'not strong enough ego'.
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    Of course I agree with this, but I chose this piece of post because it's so well-written, reminds me of someone else as far back as the early 70s talking about another kind of 'fragility', or rather the same kind, but in a different domain. I also liked Pamela Moberg's posts on this, which I think put an alternative balance, or rather some new twists, on the matter, although I think the Queen of Denmark's case is not the same as the Paris Opera Ballet dancers. Strangely enough, people almost always talk about the Danish queen's smoking, including Geza Von Habsburg in a lecture once at the Met on royal Danish jewels; whether in the end, 'a picture is worth a thousand words' is borne out (or the reverse) I don't know. I know of other examples of smoking by monarchs, but won't name them here, although theirs, too, are not photographed. Other public people like Jackie O'Nassis smoked a great deal in private, but never in public. I also recall a Vanity Fair article about Shirley MacLaine, during her most hyper New Age days, saying 'I smoke sometimes too' (in addition to 'throwing back Ouzos' at a party she'd just been to.)
  9. Dancers Who Smoke

    Yes. I found this googling, from BBC 1 (Scotland.): http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00xy80z At first I thought you were talking about the cheap fake cocaine and fake crack that can be bought legally in head shops here, and is so poisonous it has caused young users to kill themselves (this was about 2 months ago I read this, I believe.) I've never looked in the shops by me, and am not sure I would recognize the kinds of things they are referring to anyway. I'm sure there's a parallel illegal cigarette scene here, although I haven't looked into it. But this would therefore be true too: By the time it goes illegal, it's not 'smokers pushing cigarettes', it's part of the greater general drug trade.
  10. Dancers Who Smoke

    Simon, don't you see how heartless you are? Now I don't want 'an eternal spring', or even 'an eternal return', but rather 'an eternal Marlboro Country', lying back against 'an eternal World Ash Tree' and dreaming of Ruth St. Denis in her voluptuous prime...while I reach for...you see, I hadn't planned to smoke again until Friday, and yet...it's just in my nature...
  11. Dancers Who Smoke

    Okay, sorry.
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    But these 'smokers' do not smoke in the hotel. I doubt their clothes 'stink' more than some of the dogs, frankly. This thread is really irritating by now. Is there any possibility of closing it? Aren't we all done with this?
  14. Dancers Who Smoke

    Oh. My. God. You have made my day, I hadn't heard about this, although as a very serious cook myself, I haven't actually gone nuts over some of her imitation canned pineapple juice that wets Duncan Hines Yellow Cake Mix. Oh lord, not a role model except for good husband-choosing, she ought to go to the Martha Stewart Show like I did. Even if Martha does shamelessly insert insidious product placement like confusing people's names with 'L'oreale', which turns out to be all over her magazine, she DOES know how to countenance ingredients in a reasonably basic form (I do her Romaine Salad with Feta and Anchovies all the time.) She also begrudgingly admitted that you could frost a chocolate butter cream with 'just a regular spoon', after trying to sell all sorts of specialized paraphernalia. I just Googled several sites, and this is so hilarious, I fully believe a new era in inedibility has impinged, one which may well signal the downfall of all civilization. And I do NOT like it that she's well-known in Britain either! I had thought she had a reasonably localized 'trashin'-cookin' following.. Sorry this is so but Simon's pm was full, so I could not 'emploi' that method
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    But that's not the kind we're talking about here. We're talking about ballet dancers being 'good role models' by not smoking and other 'unseemly behaviour that young girl ballet students or budding stars might emulate'. That would include the men who smoke too. Mere smoking does not make ballet dancers, male or female, 'good or bad girls or good or bad boys'. The context of this discussion is a 'pure-oriented role model', not those (like me) who are attracted to Obama, etc., and his 'cool hand Barack', as Maureen Dowd called it. But there are lots of 'bad boys' who are politicians, and I knew somebody who thoroughly admired John Gotti, when I was terrified of him when I had to play at the Beekman Tower, where he often came (I was even instructed to play 'Come Back to Sorrento', I believe.)
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