Dumbed down advertisements
Posted 24 February 2001 - 01:53 AM
Posted 24 February 2001 - 04:34 AM
In defense of SFB, it must be allowed that parts of the Bible are chock full of good old fashioned sex and violence....
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Posted 24 February 2001 - 09:48 AM
It's not a question of the ads being unseemly or that there's sex and violence have no place in art. And the much larger question is, as was posted, the dumbing down. Nah. I hope Ed's opera ads are a trend.
Posted 27 February 2001 - 06:10 PM
Posted 02 March 2001 - 02:51 AM
Posted 02 March 2001 - 05:13 PM
It's like Alexandra said, it's the dumbing down - not the bad ideas - that needs to be dismissed. These ads talk to people as if they had no sense of anything at all. No one likes to be talked to like that, especialy if you have a very good sense of everything! Ballet-goers tend to have good sense. We know what is wrong and what is right. We know that sex can be vulgar, or it can be fun. We know what we expect to see in ads for ballet, and it isn't what has been discussed here, to be sure. Why would a person who would like to see 'two ballet dancers die' go to the ballet, at all? The group of people these ads apeal to will probably not enjoy what they find on-stage.
Also, bringing back BalletNut's young = ignorant question. Young does not equal ignorant. It's just that the vast majority of young people don't know what they make themselves out to be. Television and music have played a real part in this. You must admit that most of the young people who watch TV aren't going to turn to PBS for ABT at the Met. Most of them go to things that relate directly to violence and sex. The advertising groups see this and they think, "If we can make it seem like ballet is what's on TV, then we'll attract twice as much young people." I, personaly, don't think this advertising idea is realistic, but that's the case for many people. It is, anyway, a matter of preference. No one can help it if they prefer something over something else. All of us chose to like ballet, and is it our 'fault?'
I want a name, not initials. So, that's my first name. I felt left out and awkward with everyone here have a name, or a word to be called by, and me with only two letters.
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Posted 04 March 2001 - 12:24 PM
Many performance artists (one-person theater) in New York make nudity a staple of their shows. It has shock value and probably helps make sales, but doesn't necessarily fit in with their work. Even some talented performers find an excuse to take their clothes off. I found postcard ads featuring a naked person especially irritating.
(Things may have changed since the mid 90s when I went to these shows.)
I've seen several small modern dance companies use nudity in performance, seemingly with little or no artistic reason. Very distracting sometimes, taking away from the performance. But perhaps good marketing.
Posted 04 March 2001 - 12:48 PM
Posted 04 March 2001 - 08:53 PM
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Posted 06 March 2001 - 09:22 AM
Great opera. It has wonderful music and great roles for several singers.
The tagline reported from Dallas is "There's no doubt about it: Life Before Prozac was harsh"
Which is one of the first I have encountered that has EVERYTHING wrong with it.
At least the one reported initially in this thread by BalletNut shows an attempt, however misguided to get people interested in going to the ballet. This one seems want to turn tragedy into a panic attack--not a good reason to go to the theater.
"Happy are the fiery natures which burn themselves out,
and glory in the sword which wears away the scabbard:
Writing of Pauline Viardot
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Posted 06 March 2001 - 10:25 AM
BalletNut, your broccoli and M&Ms is absolutely brilliant -- I've been searching for a good analogy, and that's the best I've seen. I will steal it, and use it shamelessly
Posted 06 March 2001 - 10:52 AM
By the late 80's advertising had realized that sincerity didn't sell, but irony did. Everything's done with a smirk, now. I think the ads Ed cited reflect the national character as it stands at this point in the cycle.
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Posted 06 March 2001 - 04:46 PM
You're absolutely right. Everything IS done with a smirk!
Alexandra and BalletNut,
I actualy like brocolli, but haven't had brussels sprouts before. I don't really like M&M's that much either. But it's a good analogy nonetheless.
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