Posted 13 November 2002 - 01:42 PM
It's a bit dated, but a decent insight.
Posted 13 November 2002 - 01:53 PM
Posted 13 November 2002 - 02:53 PM
Posted 13 November 2002 - 03:31 PM
Posted 14 November 2002 - 01:00 AM
heavens, i DO even know dance teachers and ballet examiners who smoke, even now, but i feel sure they would not only NOT do it while working, but also would make at least a minimal attempt to not be seen by their students 'doing it'...
also, as someone has pointed out above about the US, in most public venues in australia, there are prohibitions on smoking - which just means that people go outside to do it.
Posted 14 November 2002 - 04:35 AM
Posted 14 November 2002 - 04:43 AM
We could make a list of dancers who died of lung cancer. Erik Bruhn, Toni Lander, Inge Sand, Nicholas Magallanes.....
Posted 14 November 2002 - 04:47 AM
"I've always been surprised when I see a dancer with a cigarette, because of the effect on lung capacity."
When my daughter was at Idyllwild Arts Academy, 6,000 feet up in the San Jacinto mountains of Southern California, we were shocked that any of the dancers smoked. I had enough trouble just walking around in the thin atmosphere, let alone dancing. The thought of someone smoking, and then dancing, up there was amazing to me. Yet, every year, someone would be suspended for smoking, or sent to counselling to help them stop smoking.
Posted 14 November 2002 - 05:28 AM
Originally posted by citibob
Hey, I don't know why smoking is considered a contentious issue (it is elsewhere also).
I guess I'm more than a little wary of upsetting people here who smoke (which would be just about everyone, if the anecdotes were true! :eek: ). I've been surprised in the past by how heated people can get in defence of the habit - I wouldn't have cared so much, except that they were also good friends (and still are. Doesn't change my opinion of smoking, though.)
An issue that doesn't square up for me is the one Alexandra touched on, in mentioning lung capacity. I always see dancers as striving, via any means possible, for the pinnacle of fitness and health - more than any other group. But if smoking has as much of an impact on one's lungs as we're led to believe, then a cigarette would be more of a no-no than having a bag of lard-filled donuts with extra cream for every meal.
I guess I can sort of understand why some doctors smoke - like everything else, we all know it carries long-term risks that you can weigh up with some accuracy, as for driving a car. But in this case, I'd have thought that the more subtle effects (such as loss of lung capacity) would simply make it impractical for a professional dancer to smoke regularly.
Posted 15 November 2002 - 09:25 AM
All of my career as a dancer was spent in Europe, and many of the dancers smoked; including, for some years, myself...stupid of me, I know.
Not all dancers smoked; but many.
There was not the publicity here that there was in the US during the late 60s and the 70s against smoking, and it shows.
(As I left the US in the early 70s, never to return, I do not know if this campaign continued or not; I imagine it did...)
As to lung-compacity: while I was dancing and smoking, I actually did not consciously notice that my lungs were compromised.
Only when I stopped did I notice a difference.
Ballet is not exactly an aerobic activity; and short-term power was possible even with compromised lung capacity.
However, jogging became much easier when I stopped.
Now I am practically an anti-smoking fanatic.
One of my daughters is allergic to cigarette smoke and gets asthma attacks if too near to someone who is smoking.
It is sheer impossible to avoid second-hand smoke here.
It is nearly everywhere.
In the ballet schools many teachers smoke, though not in the studios.
Posted 15 November 2002 - 04:55 PM
When I was a teacher of English and ballet at a state school in Southern Spain in the late 60ties and early 70ties an ashtray was
provided at the teacher`s desk. Not so in ballet class - but there was also an open window!
Now there is a different argument thou...
Not exposing young people to anything - smoke - pollution - pets -what have you... OK, I have actually been in Russia and, pardon me, there was filth such as I have never seen before - and I have been around - but kids did not seem as allergic there as in Sweden. OK, now I am talking about normal kids, the ones I met;
those I were contact with, not street urchains. Ok, there were also many children begging at traffic lights. and they seemed to
be in a bad shaoe.
It may be so that exposure to various things might make the
Posted 15 November 2002 - 05:12 PM
People do seem to fret overmuch about the occasional whiff of secondhand smoke, when we are surrounded by so much else that is bad for us. (I have a theory about this, but I'll spare you. ) However, I'm not sorry to be spared the uninhibited huffing and puffing that went on everywhere years ago – was virtually inescapable, in fact. People would just blow the stuff directly into your face, and think nothing of it.
Posted 17 November 2002 - 05:21 AM
Posted 17 November 2002 - 07:06 AM
Posted 18 November 2002 - 03:22 AM
"It is sheer impossible to avoid second-hand smoke here.
It is nearly everywhere."
I agree with that- and I think it's especially bad in France (I'm really fed up with that attitude typical of some French people that "laws are for other people only"... about smoking in public places, driving while drunk or over the speed limit, etc.) One of my best friends is allergic to smoke (her eyes and throat itch a lot, it's a consequence of another allergy to acarians, I think). Well, it was totally impossible for us to find a restaurant to go to in Marseille, except in the summer season when we could have dinner or lunch outside. Very, very few restaurants there have separate rooms for smokers and non-smokers (though there are laws saying that they must- but nobody pays attention to that law, unfortunately) and in the few that have such rooms, the separation isn't good enough, there is some smoke going into the non-smokers part. Well, even at my wedding, though I insisted that smokers should smoke outside, there were people smoking in the dinner room (and my friend had to leave early).
From what I've read recently, the percentage of smokers among people between 15 and 24 in France is the highest in the European Union (53%, while the average is 41%, Sweden has the lowest figure with about 21%- however, I don't know how those statistics were made). I don't know about dancers. But I remember an anecdote which was told to me by a POB dancer: in Roland Petit's "Carmen", the dancers of the corps de ballet have to smoke during a scene- and she said that each time they performed it, there were some dancers who had stopped smoking who started smoking again after performing the ballet...
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