good as Tchaikovsky?
Posted 04 March 2002 - 07:33 AM
Has this thought ever come to you... "gee, this is as good as Tchaikovsky!"
Posted 04 March 2002 - 09:35 AM
Posted 04 March 2002 - 12:41 PM
(with an abiding soft spot in my heart for Prokofiev's R & J score.)
Posted 04 March 2002 - 01:03 PM
Posted 04 March 2002 - 01:59 PM
It really is hard to come up with someone to rival Tchaikovsky. Delibes works are indeed beautiful, but rather shallow in comparison. Prokofiev certainly comes close. I'd put in a vote for Glazunov, just on the strength of the glorious parts of Raymonda.
I would also put Stravinsky's Apollo up there. Did he write Agon as a ballet score?
Posted 04 March 2002 - 02:23 PM
and I forgot, Coppelia
[ March 04, 2002, 03:29 PM: Message edited by: Calliope ]
Posted 04 March 2002 - 06:44 PM
It might seem a bit curious now, but Tchaikovsky himself admired Delibes' scores quite a lot (I don't remember if it was "Coppelia" or "Sylvia" that he considered as superior to his own "Swan Lake"...)
It is not very well known, but I do love Edouard Lalo's "Namouna" (used later by Lifar for is "Suite en blanc"). Henri Sauguet's "Les Forains" (for Roland Petit) is really cute.
Among the Stravinsky works composed for ballet, there's also "Petrouchka" and "The rite of spring"...
About "La Fille mal gardee": it seems to me that the score which is used today has changed quite a lot from the the original version (and is by several composers).
Posted 04 March 2002 - 07:16 PM
Posted 04 March 2002 - 08:05 PM
Posted 05 March 2002 - 07:54 AM
Posted 05 March 2002 - 02:40 PM
Having said that, I will note that I prefer "Coppelia" to "Swan Lake," but this reflects overexposure to the latter when I was young, not the relative merits of the scores.
It's much easier to find superior ballet music in the 20th Century, and I think we can thank Diaghilev for that. Most outstanding composers of the past 100 years have written music for dance, and much of it is good. To the names mentioned above I would add Debussy ("Faune" and maybe "Jeux" -- I haven't heard the latter in a while), Ravel ("Daphnis and Chloe") and Bartok ("The Miraculous Mandarin" -- a *long* way from Tchaikovsky and not for everybody, but spellbinding nevertheless).
Posted 05 March 2002 - 05:17 PM
Wagner wrote the dance music for Tannhauser specifically for Paris. Hundreds of pages of "French" ballet music flowed from the pen of Verdi, some routine "oompah band" accompaniment, others as good as anything he wrote--"Otello", "Il trovatore", "Jerusalem", a revsion of "I Lombardi". The ballet music from "Aida" (not for the Paris Opera) has a life of its own. Little of this music is well known in the United States or Italy, since the recordings and productions of these scores are generally of the seemingly more "official" Italian version, which do not include the ballet.
Berloiz added ballet music to "Der Frieschutz" by von Weber when it was revised as a grand opera for Paris.
Giacomo Meyerbeer, no longer everyone's idea of a great 19th century composer, wrote grand opera that was the toast of Paris. The skaters ballet in Le Prophete" the gypsy dance in "Le Huguenotes" and the nuns ballet in "Robert le diable" influenced composers for decades to come.
The Opera Comique also in Paris but a much different institution, had its own conventions regarding dance for the lyric stage. "Carmen" is the most famous work from that genre from the 19th century and is full of dance music, although choral writing was more typical than ballet for crowd scenes.
[ March 05, 2002, 05:20 PM: Message edited by: Ed Waffle ]
Posted 05 March 2002 - 06:16 PM
Originally posted by Tancos:
To the names mentioned above I would add Debussy ("Faune" and maybe "Jeux" -- I haven't heard the latter in a while), Ravel ("Daphnis and Chloe") and Bartok ("The Miraculous Mandarin" -- a *long* way from Tchaikovsky and not for everybody, but spellbinding nevertheless).
How could I have forgotten "Daphnis et Chloé"... Also, among Ravel's work, "Bolero" was composed as a ballet for Ida Rubinstein, and if I remember correctly "Ma mère l'Oye" (I love it) and "La Valse" were planned to be ballets.
Ed, probably there still is a statue of Meyerbeer somewhere on the facade of the Opéra Garnier... In hugh school, I remember studying a short story by Balzac which mentioned the ballet of nuns from "Robert le Diable".
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