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Solo For Two w. Osipova and Vasiliev


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#31 California

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Posted 10 August 2014 - 06:28 PM

I'm having trouble posting the link, but the Aug 7, 2014 City Center press release re the coming  2014-15 season lists Solo for Two.  Not sure why they were taken off sale. Is Osipova scheduled to dance with the RB during Mar 7-8, 2015.

On the ROH website she is currently scheduled to dance Swan Lake Feb 21st, March 13th, and March 17th. Those performances have not yet gone on sale.

On the casting page, to the right, it says the performances on the 13th and 17th will be filmed - perhaps we'll be getting yet another DVD of her performance!

http://www.roh.org.u...-anthony-dowell

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Posted 11 August 2014 - 08:14 AM

I understand why critics -- and especially why critics from London, where (especially) Cherkaoui's work is widely known -- could be positive about the program -- but I'm not clear on why audiences in London and California disagree.

 

Because it was an insult to a paying audience, both in time and effort put forth by the pieces. And I didn't buy the tickets with this programming; there was a distinctly different announced program for the CA engagement--I've been to enough Ardani schlock to know what I am walking into when the program suddenly changes into modern experimentation and this was the worst of it. I also don't buy the argument that because choreographers have done good work in the past, this is probably good too for their specific vein of work. Or that dancers who have done good work in the past will probably be good too. I thought Vasiliev, especially, looked uncomfortable in the choreography and Osipova seemed to relish in looking unattractive and being extreme for extremes sake.



#33 Helene

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Posted 11 August 2014 - 08:23 AM

Do you remember what the original program was advertised as when tickets went on sale and how long afterwards the program changed?  I'm not a fan of bait-and-switch in general, even if there's a disclaimer that "Program is subject to change."

 

Two of the three works were based on the choreographers' previous works, all of which had been reviewed.  I haven't seen much to suggest there was a substantial difference in the versions Osipova and Vasiliev danced: if the choreography was good before, it is unlikely these versions are bad.  If the older versions were weak, they'd have needed work to make them better.  The piece that has gotten the best reviews has been the new one.  Of course, most of the pieces when reviewed earlier were danced by contemporary companies, with dancers for whom that was their style and who were versed in the technique.  I think there is a distinction between bad or weak choreography and bad or weak performances if the choreography. 

 

There is never any reason to assume that even a great dancer will be good in a new genre, especially in such a short period of time.  Baryshnikov did White Oak for how many seasons?  While the process was interesting to watch, if you like watching the process, even he wasn't notable in much of what he danced after dedicating a lot of time to it.



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Posted 11 August 2014 - 08:35 AM

I did not keep any records on the Segerstrom program changes, as I had no plans to attend. For a time, they announced that the Ballet San Jose was going to back them in Carmen and I vaguely remember that the change to drop that came rather late. Had some subscribers and perhaps individual tickets buyers purchased with that in mind? Long before the Carmen announcement, they were going to do an excerpt from La Bayadere, but again, I don't remember if any subscriptions or tickets were on sale at that early juncture. That's a pretty dramatic "program change" in either case, and it's understandable that people were outraged at the final program.

 

EDIT: Looking back through this thread, I see that Carmen with BSJ was announced on May 5 and cancelled on May 29. It seems likely that tickets were on sale by then.


Edited by California, 11 August 2014 - 02:21 PM.


#35 Helene

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Posted 11 August 2014 - 12:18 PM

Many thanks for answering. I wasn't paying close enough attention and thought that these were separate events.  "Carmen" is certainly a different kettle of fish.

 

Honestly, between the double-bookings on her part and this switch, it would take a lot to get me to buy a ticket specifically  to see them.



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Posted 11 August 2014 - 03:58 PM

As your reference of Solo for Two:
"Contemporary choreography is very tough for ballerinas"- Natalia Osipova
VOICE OF RUSSIA, UK
6 August, 2014

http://voiceofrussia...a-Osipova-9963/

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Posted 12 August 2014 - 05:05 AM

Can't believe this.  The City Center dates for this have been changed from Mar 7-8 to Aug 7-8, 2015. They have been selling tickets for this since June.  Date change now posted on the City Center website. My March tixs are definitely going back to the box office, and I will not be purchasing for the August dates.  Really tired of all these schedule alterations due to Osipova's overbooking.  Given what balletomanes are saying about this program, this date change is a blessing because it allows me to get a refund.



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Posted 12 August 2014 - 12:52 PM

Don't regret it for a second. What a mess. (BTW the dates were also moved from January to mid July at the performances in CA with no formal announcement; subscribers did not get a chance to return tickets though if the dates were no longer viable which seemed like a big oversight to me as many plan vacations in mid-summer).



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Posted 12 August 2014 - 01:30 PM

I already called City Center, and was told that they will refund anyone who bought tickets for the March dates, unless the purchaser requests an exchange into the August dates in lieu of a refund. 

 

Seems illegal for the CA venue to change the event date and not honor any requests for refunds based on the date change. 



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Posted 12 August 2014 - 01:46 PM

If a ticket is for a specific venue on a specific date for a specific time (and often, a specific seat), and the producer can change the program and/or casting, I don't know how it could be legal if the producer fails to produce a show on that date and does not offer a refund, even if there is a reschedule on another date.  I would request a chargeback from my credit card company, if a venue refused to refund under those circumstances.  I've never had that happen.



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Posted 12 August 2014 - 05:24 PM

I did not keep any records on the Segerstrom program changes, as I had no plans to attend. For a time, they announced that the Ballet San Jose was going to back them in Carmen and I vaguely remember that the change to drop that came rather late. Had some subscribers and perhaps individual tickets buyers purchased with that in mind? Long before the Carmen announcement, they were going to do an excerpt from La Bayadere, but again, I don't remember if any subscriptions or tickets were on sale at that early juncture. That's a pretty dramatic "program change" in either case, and it's understandable that people were outraged at the final program.

EDIT: Looking back through this thread, I see that Carmen with BSJ was announced on May 5 and cancelled on May 29. It seems likely that tickets were on sale by then.


The first version was le Jeune Homme et la Mort, Gomes world premier, and Kingdom of the Shades. Later the Gomes piece was gone. Then it's totally revised to Carmen with Ballet San Jose and some other pas des deux. Finally, it's Solo for 2. O/V's program changes were chronicled in this thread: http://balletalert.i...e-season-13-14/

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Posted 12 August 2014 - 05:33 PM

The first version was le Jeune Homme et la Mort, Gomes world premier, and Kingdom of the Shades. Later the Gomes piece was gone. Then it's totally revised to Carmen with Ballet San Jose and some other pas des deux. Finally, it's Solo for 2. O/V's program changes were chronicled in this thread: http://balletalert.i...e-season-13-14/

Thanks for the reminder! That would have been a spectacular program. I remember thinking it might be worth flying out to see it. So glad I didn't pursue that! But given the very disappointing subscription that year, that program might have enticed at least a few people to get an entire subscription.

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Posted 12 August 2014 - 09:47 PM

Egads, those are substantial changes.  I'd be very unhappy had I purchased tickets based on the first program, whether they actually we going to perform "Carmen" or Solo for Two.



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Posted 13 August 2014 - 08:23 AM

Here is a clip from the O/V program, so people can decide whether this is their thing:

 



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Posted 13 August 2014 - 10:26 AM

Without seeing the full work, it's hard to know where this sequence comes from, but I think the theatricality of it is pretty successful.  His solo reminded me a bit of the Jacobson solo that Baryshnikov brought with him to the West when he first defected -- that combination of highly technical moments and distinctive acting sequences.  I can certainly understand the frustration of buying a ticket for a conventional program and having that morph into something else, but I do think that projects like this are more than worth the artist's time.




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