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#61 Drew

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Posted 13 August 2013 - 04:51 PM

I hate the repetitive depiction of dancers as uneducated party animals. And is that really what people--even teenagers--find entertaining to watch? Ugh...

 

But do I find it rather entertaining that Alison's "plot" is a retread (a pale one, but still) of the classic ballet movie plot. Ballet or Love?  To Dance or to Marry?   It's the Red Shoes, but also Anne Bancroft versus Shirley Maclaine in Turning Pointe or even the Yvette Chauvire related plot in La Mort du Cygne -- in which the adoring ballet student-admirer (who commits a crime on behalf of Chauvire's ballet career) discovers Chauvire is willing to chuck being a ballerina to get MARRIED--at which point the student is suitably disillusioned. Chauvire's competitor, Mia Slavenska, on the other hand turns out to value ballet before everything.

 

(In a recent video about Olga Smirnova, the young ballerina quite wonderfully announces her preference for being alone so she can do nothing but eat, think, drink,and breathe ballet. She may grow out of it--I guess it would be good for her if she does at least a little--but I love the performance of the single mindedness of the true ballerina-artist.)

 

The Alison plot has got a bit of today's feminist overlay (maybe, not sure about that) plus the "love" in this case, as edited, seems a teensy bit equivocal. But still...I assume the arc is going to be that the Doctor boyfriend finally goes to see her dance and has a change of heart. At least I hope that's the arc.

 

(Of course I respect whatever Alison decides blah, blah--her decision...real person...not a plot point etc....I just know what ballet myths I prefer. And what feminist ones, too, come to think of it.)



#62 dirac

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Posted 13 August 2013 - 05:42 PM

There’s also Garbo’s tormented Grusinskaya in "Grand Hotel" and of course the recent example of Nina in "Black Swan," slave to and victim of the pursuit of perfection.

 

 It is nice that in other respects we’ve gone beyond the concept of ballerina as quasi-sexless sacrificial lamb to her art  (those last photographs of Pavlova are not happy ones).

 

the "love" in this case, as edited, seems a teensy bit equivocal.

 

 

I agree.  And any final judgment is tough in DeBona’s case because our information is limited and she’s the only one who gets to talk to the camera. It’s a fact that sustaining an affair or marriage at a distance over long periods of time is difficult under any circumstances and the partners may drift apart. They've already broken up once before  - DeBona’s Tilton complications took up much of last season.....



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Posted 13 August 2013 - 09:24 PM

The good doctor is in residence in Detroit.  Grand Rapids is appx 3 hours away (per mapquest).  Perhaps Ms DeBona could audition at Grand Rapids Ballet?  It seems to be an up and coming company with an interesting rep.  



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Posted 13 August 2013 - 09:57 PM

I was surprised that DeBona said there was no ballet nearby, because I thought immediately of Grand Rapids Ballet, and Patricia Barker is really making something with the company.



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Posted 13 August 2013 - 10:23 PM

The good doctor is in residence in Detroit.  Grand Rapids is appx 3 hours away (per mapquest).  Perhaps Ms DeBona could audition at Grand Rapids Ballet?  It seems to be an up and coming company with an interesting rep.  

 

3 hours one way is a hefty commute - doesn't seem doable to me. DeBona would need to rent an apartment in Grand Rapids presumably and spend the week there, and commute back to Detroit on the weekends. Exactly what her boyfriend is trying to avoid. But he also seems to have an issue with the ballet world. I think he wants a stay-at-home wife who will always "be there for him". Ironically, it is far easier for health care practicioners to find work in ANY North American metropolis than it is for a ballet dancer. For a doctor with the right credentials and a good record the opportunities are vast.



#66 Jayne

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Posted 14 August 2013 - 09:26 AM

If she wants to keep dancing into her 30's then I think the 3 hour commute could be workable - until they decide to have kids.  I have many friends who made it work between Portland and Seattle (same driving distance).  He's currently working in his residency, so I'm not sure how long it will last in Detroit.  I have to say all the medical residents I have met over the years worked 90 hour days and in their off time mainly wanted to sleep, eat and veg out in front of the TV.   So she may have quite a bit of "alone" time.  

 

Afterwards, as mentioned, the opportunities to relocate are vast.  

 

All that said, Ms DeBona may decide that if she's dancing Winter Fairy at age 29, she is not going to be promoted to Principal.  So why not start her family sooner than later, and not worry so much about the dwindling odds of fertility if she waits until later on? 



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Posted 14 August 2013 - 09:36 AM

3 hours one way is a hefty commute - doesn't seem doable to me

 

 

Beats flying in from Utah.

 

Last night he explained the circumstances of his residency wouldn't allow a move. Assuming that's true, we don't have any indication that he would insist she stay at home, although as far as we know she has no training except as a dancer. He does want kids. These days not all couples can afford a non-working spouse regardless of ideology. No reason why he can't wait a few more years, though. If one of them meets someone else, such is life.  (Allison should remind him, or someone should remind her, that engagements in Victorian days could last for almost a decade.)

 

In any case I hope DeBona makes up her mind quickly, because I'm getting a bit tired of hearing her talk about it to all and sundry, including the friend with the important eyebrows, and this subplot could wear out fast. But then she might get together with Rex again. I'm trying to be loyal to the show but I don't think I could face that.



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Posted 14 August 2013 - 10:24 AM

 

3 hours one way is a hefty commute - doesn't seem doable to me

 

 

Beats flying in from Utah.

 

Last night he explained the circumstances of his residency wouldn't allow a move. Assuming that's true, we don't have any indication that he would insist she stay at home, although as far as we know she has no training except as a dancer. He does want kids. These days not all couples can afford a non-working spouse regardless of ideology. No reason why he can't wait a few more years, though. If one of them meets someone else, such is life.  (Allison should remind him, or someone should remind her, that engagements in Victorian days could last for almost a decade.)

 

In any case I hope DeBona makes up her mind quickly, because I'm getting a bit tired of hearing her talk about it to all and sundry, including the friend with the important eyebrows, and this subplot could wear out fast. But then she might get together with Rex again. I'm trying to be loyal to the show but I don't think I could face that.

 

 

DeBona's doctor friend won't be moving anywhere for up to 3 years, that's true. No way around that one.

 

I agree that this subplot has gotten old as 'entertainment', though for DeBona it's going to necessarily drag on. I'm thinking that Bennett and Ruud may have a bigger problem: they actually ARE married, and they're in a bad place. But their actual private life doesn't appear on screen, so who knows what that consists of. Can't say I want to know too much more anyway. I'd like to hear more details of the Cinderella production without the farcical Zach bits.



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Posted 15 August 2013 - 09:01 AM

I was amused when one of the girls in the bar told Chris Ruud that she’d had a crush on him when she was eight. An Old-Married-Guy-Moment for Chris!



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Posted 15 August 2013 - 09:19 AM

An Old-Guy-Moment for Chris ;)

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Posted 20 August 2013 - 12:50 PM

Fighting Tooth and Nail

(Ep. 205)


Original Air Date: 8.19.13

 

For those that haven't watched yet, I'll just say that this episode deals mainly with contract renewals (or not). There is one "surprise" that is not really much of a surprise. (Especially if you have done any research on the dancers outside of what the TV show tells you).

For me, it's interesting to see how Sklute handles his dancers (with a camera on his face the whole time - that does take some guts, or ego). There's more angst over long-distance relationships (existing, and maybe to come).

 

I do have a question for those in-the-know: Why are Zach and Ian in a kind of all-or-nothing competition? Are the dancers in Ballet West 2 only allowed a certain number of years to participate, and then they are either promoted to the regular company or removed? And if so, what is the time period of this 'apprenticeship'?



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Posted 20 August 2013 - 07:35 PM

And here's ep 2 cut down to about 12min

 

I'm loving the edited versions.  Please keep them coming, EvilNinja!



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Posted 20 August 2013 - 08:03 PM

 Why are Zach and Ian in a kind of all-or-nothing competition? Are the dancers in Ballet West 2 only allowed a certain number of years to participate, and then they are either promoted to the regular company or removed? And if so, what is the time period of this 'apprenticeship'?

 

BW2 only allows dancers 2 years in the 2nd company.  After that deadline, they are promoted to the main company as apprentices, or they are out.  There was a previous episode where Adam Sklute discussed this.  During the 1st season he impressed me mainly as as pompous burrow of a leader.  But this season, I see more compassion.

 

I can't believe I'm getting sucked into this show again! I did agree with Adam's decision regarding which male dancer to promote.  The one not chosen was rougher around the edges (although I'm sure it could be easily resolved with additional coaching).  I'm pleased he landed on his feet!



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Posted 20 August 2013 - 08:20 PM

 

 Why are Zach and Ian in a kind of all-or-nothing competition? Are the dancers in Ballet West 2 only allowed a certain number of years to participate, and then they are either promoted to the regular company or removed? And if so, what is the time period of this 'apprenticeship'?

 

BW2 only allows dancers 2 years in the 2nd company.  After that deadline, they are promoted to the main company as apprentices, or they are out.  There was a previous episode where Adam Sklute discussed this.  During the 1st season he impressed me mainly as as pompous burrow of a leader.  But this season, I see more compassion.

 

I can't believe I'm getting sucked into this show again! I did agree with Adam's decision regarding which male dancer to promote.  The one not chosen was rougher around the edges (although I'm sure it could be easily resolved with additional coaching).  I'm pleased he landed on his feet!

 

 

Thanks, Jayne - that's what I was wondering. Somehow I'd forgotten exactly what was said about the BW 2 organization.

 

I too understand why Sklute would choose the person he did from BW 2 - it's essential to find someone whose dancing is consistently of good quality. It's not enough to have the right look, one has to execute reliably, again and again. Ironically, the loser in this situation had the more grown up attitude about life and work, imo, but not the skill set (at least not yet).



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Posted 21 August 2013 - 03:18 AM

Jayne, do you know where "the one not chosen" "landed on his feet"? I googled but was not able to find the info. Also, the dancers with the designation of apprentice are listed under corps members on the BW website. Are they full corps members now or do they simply not distinguish the title of apprentice on the website? Anyone know?




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