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[volcanohunter]

elena, on 08 March 2013 - 03:43 PM, said:

This also caught my attention from Ismene Brown's blog linked above

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The company manager Ruslan Pronin is also reported to have surprised the troupe by announcing that Filin yesterday had a phone conversation with another Bolshoi dancer, Batyr Annadurdyev, which has resulted in him being asked to make a statement to investigators.

I do hope eventually it all comes to light, but it seems a shadow will be hanging over the Bolshoi for a while yet.

It may be more than that. According to this link, the conversation between the two was extremely unpleasant and as a result Annadurdyev submitted his resignation.
http://www.gazeta.ru...n_2787489.shtml

[Helene]

I think the unhappiness is coming from different places:  there are a number of dancers and people affiliated with the company who don't believe Dmitrichenko was capable of it, despite the confessions, and Filin, who believes that Dmitrichenko and the two hit people are not the only ones involved.  Still, both sides believe that this is a pat round-up and authorities are trying to close the case and sweep the unanswered questions under the rug.

volcanohunter, on 08 March 2013 - 03:54 PM, said:

It may be more than that. According to this link, the conversation between the two was extremely unpleasant and as a result Annadurdyev submitted his resignation.
http://www.gazeta.ru...n_2787489.shtml

A machine translation (bing) of the second-to-last paragraph is:

A surprise for all, according to the source, was the statement by the Director of the ballet company Ruslan Pronin of the artistic director of the troupe's Owl on Thursday hosted a hard-hitting conversation with ballet dancer Batyr Annadurdyevym, who is friendly with Paul Dmitrichenko and which also caused the STOCK MARKET to give evidence. In the address Annadurdyeva by the Owl's alleged threats and accusations, and he wrote his resignation from the theater. The troupe said in defense of the artist and the ineligibility of any charges against him.

[Drew]

One thing that puzzled me in the NYTimes article is that it sounded as if Dimitrichenko admits to telephoning Zarutsky the day of the attack -- which makes him sound considerably less out-of-loop than his account of more or less  forgetting he had even hired Zarutsky and then having to pay the piper.  Both stories can't be true and yet it's not "his lawyer said" versus "the other guy's lawyer said": both stories seem to be coming from him...

As far as 'forgetting' you hired someone to beat someone up: if true, then...

You know, I tried various ways to end that sentence, most of which involved speculations on mental health, a few on character, and even one on neuroscience--and then I gave up. I trust we will find out a little more about what really happened but for the rest, I await the post-modern Dostoevsky who can do this story justice. Because I don't think any court of law will.

[solo]

Machine translation can be confusing sometimes. For example, the Russian word for ‘owl’ is ‘filin’, hence the word OWL appeared instead of the AD’s name, etc.  

I found these two paragraphs worrying:

As confirmed by the “Gazeta.ru” ‘s source, based on some evidence, the interrogation of Dmitrichenko lasted for 18 hours.
‘As per official version, his lawyer was with him, but according to unofficial version the lawyer went out, after several hours of interrogation, to buy some food; whereupon he was prevented from coming back to his client for a long time. After some time Dmitrichenko made his confession’, the source said.

A surprise for all, according to the source, was the statement by the company’s manager Ruslan Pronin with respect to the straight-talk held on Thursday by the Artistic Director of the troupe Sergei Filin with a ballet dancer Batyr Annadurdyev who is on a friendly footing with Pavel Dmitrichenko and was also called to testify at the Investigation Committee of the Russian Federation. Allegedly, there were some threats and accusations made by Filin against Annadurdyev whereby he signed his notice of resignation from the theater. The troupe spoke for the dancer and about ineligibility of any charges against him.

[aurora]

Deleting my post (for some reason the more recent posts on the thread hadn't shown up and mine was mere repetition)

[Ilya]

http://lifenews.ru/news/111507

I don't have time to translate the whole thing, but here is an excerpt that has to do with Mr. Annadurdyev.

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On January 17 Dmitrichenko, together with dancer Batyr Annadurdyev and musician Alexander Yurasov, was going to go to his dacha in the Stupinsky district.  In the afternoon he accidentally overheard at the theater that Sergey Filin was going to attend a gala at MHAT.

"We were sitting with Annadurdyev in a car in a parking lot and were watching some show, periodically re-parking in order to get a better Internet reception," said Dmitrichenko. "All this time I was watching Filin's car.  Around 10:30pm I called Zarutsky to call everything off, but just at that moment I saw that Filin was approaching his car.  And I told Zarutsky that he, most likely, was going home."

After awhile, according to Dmitrichenko, Zarutsky called him and said: "That's it, [translator's note: here he used a slang verb which I am powerless to translate into English and which can mean a broad array of things, including the infliction of unspecified bodily harm on someone]," without specifying what exactly they did to Filin.  The accomplices met up, Dmitrichenko gave Zarutsky 3000 rubles for gasoline which he took from Annadurdyev under the pretext of buying Spice.

"At home, I heard a phone conversation of Anzhelina Vorontsova during which Nikolai Tsiskaridze told her that Filin was doused with acid," Pavel summed up.

[volcanohunter]

Oh, that's not good at all. But if he's really penitent and even offered to pay some sort of compensation during the interrogation, why did he refuse to make an apology to Filin in court?

[Ilya]

In order for everybody else to understand what you are referring to, here is a translation of the last paragraph of the same article.

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The next day Dmitrichenko met Zarutsky and Lipatov, gave them 50,000 rubles, and said: "I do not know you any more." Dmitrichenko also said during the interrogation that he was fully repenting, that he had not wanted to inflict such harm on Filin, that he had not planned such a monstrous method for the attack, that he was ready to compensate the Artistic Director for damages, and asked to be forgiven.

We need to keep in mind the following flow of information: Dmitrichenko -> interrogator(s) -> article's source(s) -> the journalist (Nadezhda Gladchenko) -> the published text.  Distortions are possible at every link of this long chain. It is also a possibility that Dmitrichenko was scared during the interrogation and much less scared during the court appearance.

[elena]

Ilya, on 08 March 2013 - 07:25 PM, said:

http://lifenews.ru/news/111507

I don't have time to translate the whole thing, but here is an excerpt that has to do with Mr. Annadurdyev.

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On January 17 Dmitrichenko, together with dancer Batyr Annadurdyev and musician Alexander Yurasov, was going to go to his dacha in the Stupinsky district.  In the afternoon he accidentally overheard at the theater that Sergey Filin was going to attend a gala at MHAT.

"We were sitting with Annadurdyev in a car in a parking lot and were watching some show, periodically re-parking in order to get a better Internet reception," said Dmitrichenko. "All this time I was watching Filin's car.  Around 10:30pm I called Zarutsky to call everything off, but just at that moment I saw that Filin was approaching his car.  And I told Zarutsky that he, most likely, was going home."

After awhile, according to Dmitrichenko, Zarutsky called him and said: "That's it, [translator's note: here he used a slang verb which I am powerless to translate into English and which can mean a broad array of things, including the infliction of unspecified bodily harm on someone]," without specifying what exactly they did to Filin.  The accomplices met up, Dmitrichenko gave Zarutsky 3000 rubles for gasoline which he took from Annadurdyev under the pretext of buying Spice.

"At home, I heard a phone conversation of Anzhelina Vorontsova during which Nikolai Tsiskaridze told her that Filin was doused with acid," Pavel summed up.

There seems to be so much conflicting information... previous articles quote Dmitrichenko as saying he had asked Zarutsky to beat Filin up in the fall and then forgot about until he was surprised by the acid attack. Now this article speaks of Dmitrichenko having contact with Zarutsky on that day and watching Filin's car, telling Zarutsky he wanted to call everything off and that Filin was most likely going home.

I feel bad for whoever has to make sense of all of this, honestly...

[Mme. Hermine]

Don't know if it will be up long, but here is a link to a photo of Annadurdyev:

http://www.bolshoiru...yr_Annadurdyev/

[Ilya]

His page on the official Bolshoi website: http://www.bolshoi.r...ons/ballet/146/

[Helene]

The most contradictory info is that Dmitrichenko was sitting in the car on a stake-out, but wanted to call the whole thing off, and then told Zarutsky where his target was.

The entire time Anandurdyev was sitting in the car but didn't come forward: if I were Filin, I'd be livid.

[Ilya]

Helene, on 09 March 2013 - 08:05 AM, said:

The most contradictory info is that Dmitrichenko was sitting in the car on a stake-out, but wanted to call the whole thing off, and then told Zarutsky where his target was.

My interpretation of what's said in the article is that he was going to call it off because it was getting late and Filin hadn't come out yet.  Just as he was going to call it off, Filin appeared, and so, instead of calling it off, he told Zarutsky that Filin just came out of the theater and was probably going to drive home.  So I don't see much contradiction.

[volcanohunter]

Helene, on 09 March 2013 - 08:05 AM, said:

The entire time Anandurdyev was sitting in the car but didn't come forward: if I were Filin, I'd be livid.

Apparently he is livid, which prompted the heated telephone conversation that resulted in Annadurdyev submitting his resignation.

Dmitrichenko and two friends were hanging out in a car in mid-January Moscow at 10:30 p.m. Does this strike anybody as a sensible thing to do?

Ilya makes a good point that so much of the information we're getting has been coming from "sources close to the investigation." This satisfies eveyone's desire to figure out what happened, but given that much, if not most, of what we've learned has been leaked by the police rather than coming directly from Dmitrichenko's mouth, I can also understand why at this point so many of his colleagues refuse to believe the semi-official version of events.

[Amy Reusch]

I have been given to understand that as a result of decades of government censorship, Russians are better at reading between the lines than we in the West are..