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#331 Helene

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Posted 27 May 2013 - 09:07 AM

There have been some wonderful and thought-provoking posts in this thread, including some side-bars, detours, and discussions of the big picture, and it won't be the last thread in which the current direction of Mariinsky will be discussed, criticized, and rued. We've been doing this to Peter Martins for 30 years: Fateev is in the toddler stage by comparison.

What has become intolerable is when threads segue into bully pulpits for single-issue agendas and/or propaganda-gossip. (The latter is generally easier for the Moderators to address by editing or deleting; the former takes a while to establish pattern.) It takes fortitude to get past these posts and not abandon thread, and participating on a discussion board shouldn't be that much work.

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Posted 27 May 2013 - 12:42 PM

Thanks to everyone for trying to keep this topic running as smoothly and fairly as is possible.

#333 Natalia

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Posted 28 May 2013 - 03:59 AM

ITA with cubanmiamiboy and Birdsall. My next comments on Skorik will be about live (not YouTube) performances, which most likely will be in January 2014, when the Mariinsky presents a week of Swan Lakes at the Kennedy Center. Skorik should be one of the Odette-Odiles on that tour. (Lopatkina/Korsuntsev are the feature couple on the Mariinsky section of the just-printed season brochure.) Watch this space for casting information, usually a month before the performances:
http://www.kennedy-c...ts/?event=BOBSG

p.s. - I just read about the error-compilation vid. That is cruel. It's one thing to point out one major flub during a recent performance that folks may be discussing; it's another to go through the trouble of assembling/editing a bunch of errors. I wouldn't do that even for Somova. :)

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Posted 28 May 2013 - 07:13 AM

I saw all seven "Swan Lake"s in Costa Mesa, Ca., last October, and loved them all. Oxana Skorik (3), Ekaterina Kondaurova (2) and Anastasia Kolegova (2). I felt that Oxana Skorik's performances, two of which weren't flawless ( and one I thought essentially was), showed 'genius' and were a 'privilege' to have seen. I think that I was impressed ! Posted Image

One of the qualities that I remember so well was how Oxana Skorik was able to take her outstanding physical prowess and use it to add layers of expression to the feeling and significance of the work, rather than just being a show in itself. Also her facial commitment (as well as her physical) at times went right to the edge and she managed it with assurance and 'genius'.

Also I think that discussing internet videos here is perfectly fine if you accept them for what they are. I've found that they often do not convey what I felt (and even saw) at particular stage performances, but it doesn't have to be that way and they can certainly offer valuable insight when kept in perspective.


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I know that this topic has been a bit 'edgy' at times and I don't want to now make it seem that the 'smileys' , such as myself, are now taking it all in the opposite direction, but my enthusiasm is what I truly consider justified and I would feel it insincere and not fair if I didn't express it.

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Posted 28 May 2013 - 07:54 AM

I saw all seven "Swan Lake"s in Costa Mesa, Ca., last October, and loved them all. Oxana Skorik (3), Ekaterina Kondaurova (2) and Anastasia Kolegova (2). I felt that Oxana Skorik's performances, two of which weren't flawless ( and one I thought essentially was), showed 'genius' and were a 'privilege' to have seen. I think that I was impressed ! flowers.gif

One of the qualities that I remember so well was how Oxana Skorik was able to take her outstanding physical prowess and use it to add layers of expression to the feeling and significance of the work, rather than just being a show in itself. Also her facial commitment (as well as her physical) at times went right to the edge and she managed it with assurance and 'genius'.


I have not seen all 7, but i had seen four (4) performances and each possible cast in Costa Mesa, Friday-Sunday and saw Skorik twice.

Besides the great body and physics, that was the worst O/O in my life-span*. Not only she omitted most "birdy" like moves, simplified steps, was wobbly with partnering**, missed the music score, she had NO acting, she never looked at Siegfried, and only "connection" she had was with Rothbald in black swan act. There was NO chemistry in partnering, i just felt her fear. Yep, she has the terrific body/ the great "istrument", but i'll stay away from buying tickets to see her, and will try to exchange them if casting changes. I would Never fly to Russia to see her. She has not earned that in my personal book. But to each his own.

*I primarily watch Mariinsky, Bolshoi, and "russians" at ABT. **I saw Shklyarov partnering other balerina's and it's not his fault

#336 Jayne

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Posted 28 May 2013 - 08:01 PM

I'd just like to point out that Skorik performed Swan Lake 5 times in a 10 day period between Costa Mesa and Berkley. Even for a 22 year old, that's a tremendous beating for the body (especially the feet). Others have mentioned that this is Fateyev pushing her too hard, too fast. I think injury is inevitable if this schedule persists.

I also question her preparation. First - if she is performing so often, is she getting the preparation time (coaching) required for each new role? Is she getting adequate rest before each performance? Swan Lake is a marathon, I wouldn't ask an athlete to run a competitive 10k five times over a 10 day period and expect world-beater records on every performance.

Consider how many new roles Ms Skorik and Ms Kampa have debuted over the past year or so. I think in the past MT has taken more time to prepare a dancer, and paced the performances to allow more rest.

Therefore I amend my earlier criticism of her dancing to account for management's handling of her schedule. If you showed this schedule to an Olympic trainer, I think there would be a great deal of criticism. Periodization is just as important in dance arts as it is in athletics.

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Posted 29 May 2013 - 02:20 AM

Jayne, thanks for reminding me how many times all three dancers, Oxana Skorik, Ekaterina Kondaurova and Anastasia Kolegova performed in those two weeks along with corps de ballet members, etc. who may have performed every night. I don't know how demanding Swan Lake is in terms of shear physical stamina, but I would have to give all the Mariinsky dancers, Oxana Skorik, carrying a major responsibility in Costa Mesa, a great deal of credit.

In all honesty, I didn't feel that physical demand was noticeable in her dancing, but I'd have no way of knowing what the reality was. Her main concern seemed to be confidence, and when she had that she took things to the limit -- magnificently. When she didn't seem to be totally secure, she still did remarkably well, in my opinion. And as I alluded to before, the performances where she seemed to be less confident, for me, produced some of the most impressive results overall.

I guess one of the reasons that physical demand didn't occur to me is that I've seen this happen many times at the Mariinsky. Dancers appear again and again in a short time span, probably because of limited casting alternatives. I start to take it for granted. If my memory is correct, Evgenia Obraztsova at one of the Festivals, performed the lead to Ondine, two nights in a row. I'm sure there have been other similar instances that I don't recall for the moment.

I certainly agree with you that 'pacing' is very important, but for one reason or another it doesn't always happen. In any case dancers in many companies have to be given great credit for pure physical stamina. I often feel that dancers are made up as much of steel as they are of soul.

#338 Helene

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Posted 29 May 2013 - 01:41 PM

It's obviously a deliberate decision, because they knew about the pregnancies -- unlike with injuries or sudden injuries, especially when they happen on a thin-rostered tour, they had enough advanced notice to provide intensive coaching -- yet chose to put their eggs in one or two baskets, which is a huge risk even if the dancer is a resurrected Anna Pavlova.

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Posted 01 June 2013 - 01:13 AM

I've been going back and forth between some internet video clips of Oxana Skorik performing two very different works, Le Corsaire (the pas de trois (dance for three)) and Carmen Suite. A very fine quality that is catching my attention for the first time is in the use of her hands. They seem to greatly extend the space in which she is performing by suggesting images and creating interest that reach way beyond her physical presence. Also there is lovely nuancing in her hands.

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Posted 05 June 2013 - 04:47 AM

Am not able to type at length, but Skorik was one of the two swan soloists in this afternonon's matinee Swan Lake. If I identified her correctly in Act IV, then I have to say that I found her quite lovely, genuinely exquisite at moments. Should she be doing ballerina roles? I could not say, and the reports of her slips and stumbles in more technically challenging roles are damning. But for a few seconds there I though to myself 'Okay THAT is what her admirers are seeing'--not just a pretty body, but delicate, rippling movement, 'boneless' but not inarticulate legs and arms. Much better than anything I have seen on YouTube. Maybe she should not (yet?) be doing Odette, but a lovely soloist--at least I thought so at this afternoon's performance.

#341 Helene

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Posted 06 June 2013 - 10:14 AM

Many thanks for reporting back, Drew!

#342 Natalia

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Posted 07 June 2013 - 04:51 AM

Skorik will be dancing Nikiya in Bayadere on June 30, so it appears that the 'demotion' to 'Two Big Swans' was only temporary.
http://www.mariinsky...13/6/30/1_2000/

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Posted 07 June 2013 - 05:27 AM

I noticed that she replaced Shirinkina as one of the two swans (Shirinkina was originally cast as both one of the two swans and in the prince's friends pas de trois and danced neither). Now I just looked at the website and Shirinkina is no longer cast as Cinderella tonight. Pavlenko is. Hope Shirinkina is not injured.

#344 Helene

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Posted 07 June 2013 - 08:38 AM

Hopefully she'll be back soon.

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Posted 07 June 2013 - 12:22 PM

I don't see Olesya Novikova on the summer playbills either. I hope that she will return soon, too. :)


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