miliosr Posted April 7, 2012 Author Share Posted April 7, 2012 So anyway... back to the new-yorkers and the Basils, Siegfrieds, Amintas, Conrads, Alis, Albrechts and Solors of ABT... Well, there's a distinct minority on this board who would prefer it if ABT got back to the Carolines and Billy the Kids and Hagars and Moors and Cowgirls. I think, the problem why the talented male corp and soloists are not progressing as much as expected is the absence of a good male coach. The ladies have Irina and others but the males don't have one. They should have JM Carreno as a coach,ballet master . Hasn't this always been the case at ABT, though? As Arlene Croce pointed out in the 90s, ABT dancers need to be more self-reliant than dancers at most companies. Link to comment
vrsfanatic Posted April 7, 2012 Share Posted April 7, 2012 I could not copy it. It is Russian youtube. I have tried many time to post it, but the link is some media link and I cannot post it here for some reason. Sorry. I have tried and tried. It just keeps leading to my youtube account which I would prefer to remain private. Link to comment
ksk04 Posted April 7, 2012 Share Posted April 7, 2012 I could not copy it. It is Russian youtube. I have tried many time to post it, but the link is some media link and I cannot post it here for some reason. Sorry. I have tried and tried. It just keeps leading to my youtube account which I would prefer to remain private. No worries..here we go. It's purposefully cagey, I believe, due to what they are dancing. http://youtu.be/xbYlWrvMitY Link to comment
Helene Posted April 7, 2012 Share Posted April 7, 2012 Thank you both so much! (The issue with the URLs is that they were missing a "Y" at the end of the video code.) I searched and searched through pages of "ОБРАЗЦОВА", but I couldn't figure out how to spell "Голдинг"!. The Obraztsova/Golding section is cut off prematurely to be followed by the Skorik/Patrick Dempsey Korsuntsev White Swan adagio. Link to comment
aurora Posted April 7, 2012 Share Posted April 7, 2012 Thank you!!! who was that, ahem, swan queen? Sorry to go this far afield but I'm dying to know. And now i hit this pose, and now this one, and now that one. Was there a character there at all? Link to comment
Colleen Boresta Posted April 7, 2012 Share Posted April 7, 2012 I only saw Sarafanov dance once (Etudes, NY City Center 2008), but he was absolutely incredible!! I would love to see him at ABT!! Isn't he supposed to be unhappy at the company he's with now (the same company Osipov and Vasilev went to, I don't know how to spell the name.) What a coup it would be for ABT to have him as a principal dancer. Link to comment
Helene Posted April 7, 2012 Share Posted April 7, 2012 who was that, ahem, swan queen? Sorry to go this far afield but I'm dying to know. And now i hit this pose, and now this one, and now that one. Was there a character there at all? According to the caption, "Скорик, Корсунцев Адажио Одетты", which is "Skorik/Korsuntsev Adagio Odette" Watching her, I thought will all of her cool detachment, she looked more like a POB dancer than a Mariinsky dancer. Link to comment
cobweb Posted April 7, 2012 Share Posted April 7, 2012 Wow! If Golding is an example of what an ABT corps guy can do with proper coaching and development and opportunities, I shudder to think of what talent may be languishing in the current corps. When did Golding leave ABT? Link to comment
ksk04 Posted April 7, 2012 Share Posted April 7, 2012 I only saw Sarafanov dance once (Etudes, NY City Center 2008), but he was absolutely incredible!! I would love to see him at ABT!! Isn't he supposed to be unhappy at the company he's with now (the same company Osipov and Vasilev went to, I don't know how to spell the name.) What a coup it would be for ABT to have him as a principal dancer. I'm not sure what the benefit of Sarafanov would be when they already have Simkin on the roster. They remind me quite a bit of each other, and if people have issues with Simkin's younger looks for a lot of danseur roles than Sarafanov runs into the same issue. Plus, Sarafanov is not a great partner dealing with the extremely willowy ladies of the Mariinsky so Id be a little nervous to see what he might make of the slightly less willowy ladies of ABT (this is not a slight to the bodies of women of ABT at all, I like that they look healthy) and he's not a great actor. Cobweb--Golding left ABT for Corella Ballet when Corella was first getting the company together (maybe 07/08ish), then moved on to the DNB after. His height alone should have had Kevin begging him to stay, since he likes tall female dancers so much. Link to comment
cubanmiamiboy Posted April 7, 2012 Share Posted April 7, 2012 I could not copy it. It is Russian youtube. I have tried many time to post it, but the link is some media link and I cannot post it here for some reason. Sorry. I have tried and tried. It just keeps leading to my youtube account which I would prefer to remain private. No worries..here we go. It's purposefully cagey, I believe, due to what they are dancing. http://youtu.be/xbYlWrvMitY Why are they playing that coda-(and in general the whole piece)- soooo s-l-o-o-o-w...? That whole Pas needs to be faster, quicker, sharper! Link to comment
spinning2night Posted April 7, 2012 Share Posted April 7, 2012 I think, the problem why the talented male corp and soloists are not progressing as much as expected is the absence of a good male coach. The ladies have Irina and others but the males don't have one. They should have JM Carreno as a coach,ballet master . Speaking of which...anyone know what Carreno has done in the year since his retirement form the company? I know he wanted to try other forms of dance and experiment as an artist and whatnot...but does anyone have an actual update? He is still in NY right? and ksk06 - THANK YOU! also, how long was Golding with ABT before he left? He's pretty young, so it's impressive how far he's come. (granted he has talent, the looks, and solid training) Link to comment
puppytreats Posted April 8, 2012 Share Posted April 8, 2012 I only saw Sarafanov dance once (Etudes, NY City Center 2008), but he was absolutely incredible!! I would love to see him at ABT!! Isn't he supposed to be unhappy at the company he's with now (the same company Osipov and Vasilev went to, I don't know how to spell the name.) What a coup it would be for ABT to have him as a principal dancer. I'm not sure what the benefit of Sarafanov would be when they already have Simkin on the roster. They remind me quite a bit of each other, and if people have issues with Simkin's younger looks for a lot of danseur roles than Sarafanov runs into the same issue. Plus, Sarafanov is not a great partner dealing with the extremely willowy ladies of the Mariinsky so Id be a little nervous to see what he might make of the slightly less willowy ladies of ABT (this is not a slight to the bodies of women of ABT at all, I like that they look healthy) and he's not a great actor. He reminds me of Scott Hamilton with a bad wig. Link to comment
cubanmiamiboy Posted April 8, 2012 Share Posted April 8, 2012 Speaking of which...anyone know what Carreno has done in the year since his retirement form the company? Well...he came over here a few months ago to graciously offer his partnership in the retirement Giselle of his older peer, Cuban old guarder Dagmar Moradillos. I reviewed it here Link to comment
Helene Posted April 8, 2012 Share Posted April 8, 2012 According to Lorena Feijoo's FB page, Cuban superstar Jose Manuel Carreno will make his second appearance on DWTS this coming Tuesday with the Russian beauty Karina Smirnoff alongside rock legends KISS https://www.facebook.com/pages/Lorena-Feij%C3%B3o/177243311883 Link to comment
Plisskin Posted April 8, 2012 Share Posted April 8, 2012 I'd love for the promotions to come from within, and not outsourced. I have always liked ballet company's like NYCB, the Bolshoi, and Mariinsky's ballet tradition of having pretty much the majority of their dancers, from the principals down to the corp, a product of their company and the nationality of the company. Now that ABT has a feeder school, I hope they start doing this and developing their own style. Link to comment
vipa Posted April 8, 2012 Share Posted April 8, 2012 I too love the promote from within model. I believe that the ABT rep make it difficult, unless it's an obvious talent who hired to serve corps/soloist time until promoted. This would be a Bujones or a Simkin. What I mean is that the repertory of primarily big ballets doesn't allow for a lot of stage time development. Doing 8 or 10 peasant pas a year doesn't prepare a dancer for Albricht. The company can't really take a chance on an up and coming dancer because of ticket sales and the fact that it takes away an opportunity for an established principal to do the role. Contrast this with NYCB which can put dancers out there in challenging corps and soloist roles more than once a performance. The exception in ABT (IMO) are when tall men are needed. Patrick Bissell (again IMO) was promoted before he was ready because he was tall. Even Hallberg, obviously an excellent dancer, might not have moved up quite so fast if he wasn't tall. I just don't know how talent can be developed and nurtured unless people can be given lots, and lots of opportunities. Link to comment
ksk04 Posted April 9, 2012 Share Posted April 9, 2012 I just don't know how talent can be developed and nurtured unless people can be given lots, and lots of opportunities. It would go a long way if they went back to having longer City Center seasons, imo. ABT has many, many shorter narrative works that make for good testing ground for future full-length tryouts. They just need to actually program decent work, rather than the weird rep they've put on for the last two years and their City Center seasons would be salvaged while giving the audiences a venue to "shop" new talent/partnerships. Link to comment
carbro Posted April 9, 2012 Share Posted April 9, 2012 Because the point can't be made too many times. I just don't know how talent can be developed and nurtured unless people can be given lots, and lots of opportunities. It would go a long way if they went back to having longer City Center seasons, imo. ABT has many, many shorter narrative works that make for good testing ground for future full-length tryouts. They just need to actually program decent work, rather than the weird rep they've put on for the last two years and their City Center seasons would be salvaged while giving the audiences a venue to "shop" new talent/partnerships. I don't care what the venue is, but I really believe that the dancers need more mixed-rep programs, and as a ticket-buyer, so do I. Link to comment
Colleen Boresta Posted April 9, 2012 Share Posted April 9, 2012 Unfortunately the fact of the matter is that evening length ballets sell much better than mixed rep programs. And in today's economic times ABT is going more toward more full length ballets than ever before, especially when they need to fill the Metropolitan Opera House. Link to comment
cubanmiamiboy Posted April 10, 2012 Share Posted April 10, 2012 ... evening length ballets sell much better than mixed rep programs. . Take note, MCB... Link to comment
Helene Posted April 12, 2012 Share Posted April 12, 2012 Option A (Ranked from very plausible to completely implausible) 1) Muntagirov -- This is a no brainer. He's young, tall and, with English National Ballet in disarray due to Wayne Eagling's resignation/ouster, ripe for the picking. Tamara Rojo has been named director of English National Ballet. I don't know how this would impact Muntagirov's plans, with the substantial budget cuts still the company's reality: A BBC Four documentary last year on ENB, Agony & Ecstasy, showed the stresses as the company tried to hold a balance between selling out to populism and maintaining top classical standards. Over the next two years ENB must swallow cuts in its current £6.8m annual subsidy of £700,000. Rojo, as the next director of Britain's most suffering ballet company in a deep cultural recession, has to make bricks with straw. She should give Ib Andersen a call about making bricks with straw. Link to comment
miliosr Posted April 13, 2012 Author Share Posted April 13, 2012 Option A (Ranked from very plausible to completely implausible) 1) Muntagirov -- This is a no brainer. He's young, tall and, with English National Ballet in disarray due to Wayne Eagling's resignation/ouster, ripe for the picking. Tamara Rojo has been named director of English National Ballet. I don't know how this would impact Muntagirov's plans, with the substantial budget cuts still the company's reality: I don't know either. I have to guess, though, that Rojo's arrival as director and prima ballerina would really give pause to the other leading female dancers at the company. Link to comment
bingham Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 ABT only lists principals that dance in that particular engagement. Mariinsky did the same thing at the Met, it only listed principals that danced during the Met seaon in the programs last year. Is that completely true, though? Murphy was listed but did she even dance?? Regardless, the point I was trying to make was that ABT is now two companies: the core company that tours and the dance collective comprised of wandering, itinerant stars who coalesce in New York every Spring and early Summer. The former is looking thin at the top, especially among the male principals. Gomes, Hallberg and Stearns are the workhorses who are holding it together but, again, if one or more of them goes down (knock on wood), the company's touring schedule is going to be in a world of hurt. C Stearns will be replaced by R Bolle in Giselle this weekend in Virginia, reportedly due to Cory's injury( see todays Link). I hope he recovers well before the Met season . Link to comment
Nanarina Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 A lot of what happens within a company goes back to the school, if the variety and quantity of dancers is there for training a talented number of people can suceed in going successfully through the ranks of a company. As the older members change companies or retire, there would always be people to fill the empty spaces. But it raises the question are there still enough young people taking up dance.currently. Without the promotion of dance or funding for training it makes it difficult to attract the right people into the genre.and therefore many companies suffer from this shortfall. Link to comment
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