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ABT at the Met 2011 - Sleeping Beauty


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#61 Juliet

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Posted 08 July 2011 - 07:25 AM

Perhaps you should just, um, quarantine Macaulay in his own area heh, heh.

While you can't have people posting things that are wildly off-topic, the problem is, if you post, "Cojocaru and Kobborg did a lovely 'Sleeping Beauty'. They did a "Sleeping Beauty" at the Royal last year, but it was better at the Met. I think they're a lovely couple", somebody's going to say - "A gentle reminder. The first part of sentence 2, but not the seven words after the comma, belongs in "European Ballet Companies" under "Royal Ballet". Sentence 3 belongs in "Dancers".



; ) yup.

#62 Helene

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Posted 08 July 2011 - 07:38 AM

Perhaps you should just, um, quarantine Macaulay in his own area heh, heh.

That's what we've been trying to do. That place is called "Writings on Ballet". We've found that when critics' opinions are brought into the picture, yet another thread becomes about the critic, and many posters stop discussing what they thought, which is the only reason why we have these forums in the first place.

While you can't have people posting things that are wildly off-topic, the problem is, if you post, "Cojocaru and Kobborg did a lovely 'Sleeping Beauty'. They did a "Sleeping Beauty" at the Royal last year, but it was better at the Met. I think they're a lovely couple", somebody's going to say - "A gentle reminder. The first part of sentence 2, but not the seven words after the comma, belongs in "European Ballet Companies" under "Royal Ballet". Sentence 3 belongs in "Dancers".

You're welcome to start your own board with your own guidelines if you are unhappy with ours :)

#63 Adam

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Posted 08 July 2011 - 10:55 AM

Helene, that's why I don't post. Since the categories overlap, you can always find an arbitrary reason why someone has posted something in the "wrong" place. That's why I let you sit there and say "MY sandbox. MINE!"

#64 nanushka

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Posted 08 July 2011 - 11:34 AM

Based on my limited reading of the Macaulay forum, I gather that what goes on over there is more a meta-critical discussion about the criticism. What happens here, it seems, is quite natural and quite different: those who post at times refer to the views of others in order to illuminate their own descriptions of what they have seen and of how they analyze and understand what they have seen. Sometimes those "others" are previous posters; sometimes they are published critics. So long as the emphasis is on the topic at hand (what I, the poster, have seen and how I analyze and understand what I have seen), I'd like to think we could all have a little leeway to bring in the occasional outside references. But then, of course, I'm not in charge!

No ballet viewer watches from a vacuum. Just as I take to each performance the views and opinions I have read here, so I am also informed by what I have read in the pages of the Times. These are all inevitable parts of what Helene, in "Why This Forum Exists," refers to as "the point of view of the audience."

#65 Helene

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Posted 08 July 2011 - 11:40 AM

This is the last post on this, since "discussing the discussion" is off limits apart from when we have to explain policy: we've weighed the pros and cons of having references to critics in the company forums, and we've made this decision based on that analysis.

We've asked this several times before, but we don't assume that everyone reads every thread, which is why I've asked again, rather than deleting the reference.

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Posted 08 July 2011 - 04:29 PM

So the ABT season ends for me with a whimper, not a bang. Thank goodness there’s the Mariinsky to provide a much-needed dose of drama next week!


Batsuchan, my feelings exactly. I was hoping, as others did, that I would see Osipova/Hallberg on Wed and Cojocaru/Kobborg on Fri making a lovely end to the season. As it was I feel like the real end of the season for me was the Semionova/Gomes Swan Lake. All in all I'm not unhappy though and hope that Hallberg rehabs quickly and in time for the Japan tour (and certainly for Nutcracker, which will probably be my next ABT visit). And now on to the Little Humpbacked Horse!

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Posted 08 July 2011 - 08:01 PM

Just got back from Cojocaru/Kobberg and would like to give a few impressions. Cojocaru was amazing. She brings meaning to every moment. 1 example - in Rose Adagio there is a section in which Aurora is center stage & the suitors are in the four corners. Cojocaru was glancing at her mother for encouragement and reacting to each suitor in a clear and nuanced way that I had never seen before. When she dances I find myself watching with the most intensity because I don't want to miss a "word." She uses her technique to this end. The wedding pas was a great example of amazing partnering and connectedness. Kobberg is a classy dancer. I don't think he had a lot more years of the Prince roles in him, but he is classy, musical, has a beautiful movement quality and he is one of the great partners out there.

The rest - Again I really wish the fairies woudn't keep popping up, and we could have the characters doing their dances back. I dislike having Bluebird pas followed by the wedding pas. We shouldn't have back to back pas de deux. The spider web thing is still annoying. I know we are stuck with this production (it has been modified, with some major offenses moved) but some tinkering is still possible.

Bluebird was Simkin/Lane. No botched lift as had been reported from a past performance. To me he looked like he didn't want to be there. His variation seemed like an abbreviated version. Lane was lovely and did some beautiful phrasing.

Of the faries I thought Simone Messmer was the best. Misty Copeland as the "Valor" fairy got the job done but totally ungracious (my husband thought her so forceful that maybe she should go toe to toe with Carabosse) anyway it was a bit much for me, one can be strong and likable at the same time.

Kajiya was Lilac. I know she has a lot of fans, but I really didn't like it. To me she goes from step to step trying to hit positions and balance. There seems to be no sense of phrasing, no "juiciness" to her dancing, no overall shape. What we get is an attempt to balance every time she goes on pointe, so I feel like I'm watching step after step after step - sometimes a balance, sometimes 3 turns, sometime a little fumbling - It doesn't add up to much for me.

#68 Michael

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Posted 09 July 2011 - 04:41 AM

Kajiya was miscast as the Lilac Fairy. Lilac needs to be a taller dancer, and one with the force and power to hold the stage, face down and defeat Martine van Hamel's Carabosse, and virtually rescue civilization from the edge of the abyss repeatedly. Stella Abrera was a better Lilac the other night. But neither subsidiary casting, nor the shortcomings of the production, could obscure the brilliance of this performance. What a night.

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Posted 09 July 2011 - 05:33 AM

I loved Cojocaru and Kobborg. It's not just that she can hold her balances forever. Her phrasing is gorgeous. She employs her arms, back, head and neck to beautiful effect. Cojocaru and Kobborg were better on Friday than Wednesday. Stella was marvelous earlier in the week as Lilac. I also loved Lane and Simkin in Bluebird on Tues and Friday evening. Lane held an unsupported balance last night forever (and without the help of the Cojocaru Gaynor Minden shoes to offer extra support). Why, oh why, can't we see Sarah in a lead role? Yuriko was a disaster as Lilac, in my opinion. (She replaced Ricetto.) She had little sense of musicality or phrasing. It's not merely her size that is an impediment to success in this role. I saw Part and Gomes earlier in the week. Gomes is such a gorgeous dancer in evey way. Part was lovely, and did a particularly moving Vision Scene. I'm seeing both shows today. I can't believe that the season ends today. The time flew by.

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Posted 09 July 2011 - 09:08 AM

Lane held an unsupported balance last night forever . . . Why, oh why, can't we see Sarah in a lead role?


Absolutely - Sarah Lane has leapt to another plateau. She holds the stage and projects and appears to have found out that less is more: that she is "bigger" just doing her thing instead of punching herself out and trying to be "big." Of which principal in operation Alina Cojacaru is Exhibit No. 1.

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Posted 09 July 2011 - 10:32 AM


Lane held an unsupported balance last night forever . . . Why, oh why, can't we see Sarah in a lead role?


Absolutely - Sarah Lane has leapt to another plateau. She holds the stage and projects and appears to have found out that less is more: that she is "bigger" just doing her thing instead of punching herself out and trying to be "big." Of which principal in operation Alina Cojacaru is Exhibit No. 1.


How extraordinary! I was thinking the same thing watching Lane last night. It's as if she watched Cojocaru and a light bulb went off in her head! IMO she's had a sort of rough go of it this season. Never really making an impression. Always making simple mistakes and seemingly to push on herself so as to become a distraction. But last night in Bluebird she just became another dancer. I could see her breathe into all the technique and just "do" the role. No pushing, No weird faces. No technical mess ups. And she didn't seem to be fighting Simkin in their partnering. She just let it happen . She absolutely showed herself to be on a higher level last night than all season. Brava Sarah!

#72 Helene

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Posted 09 July 2011 - 06:55 PM

Osipova also pulled out of the Sunday matinee of the Bolshoi's Corsaire in DC two springs ago, citing "exhaustion" after she'd danced Medora the night before (and missed an entrance during the Jardin Animee during that performance too, if I recall correctly - I mean completely missed, corps dancing around, no principle dancer for twenty to thirty seconds of what was supposed to be a major variation, everyone wondering what was going on (it was the spring before this one, a couple of nights after her Sylphide at ABT)).

Osipova was hospitalized that Saturday night and missed the matinee the next day, according to newspaper reports at the time.

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Posted 09 July 2011 - 11:42 PM

JBluebird was Simkin/Lane. No botched lift as had been reported from a past performance. To me he looked like he didn't want to be there. His variation seemed like an abbreviated version. Lane was lovely and did some beautiful phrasing.

... Misty Copeland as the "Valor" fairy got the job done but totally ungracious (my husband thought her so forceful that maybe she should go toe to toe with Carabosse) anyway it was a bit much for me, one can be strong and likable at the same time.


My thoughts exactly on both fronts. Simkin's variation was nowhere near what we've come to expect out of him, but it was more than made up for by Lane. She was absolutely extraordinary last night. Copeland was "forceful" enough to look quite out of place among the rest of the fairies, all of whom seemed to be exhibiting the limpidity described by a certain critic to great effect. Messmer in particular was pretty fantastic.

And Cojocaru? Such a beautiful Beauty—I have no words.

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Posted 10 July 2011 - 06:56 AM


Saviliev is replacing Max B. in SB on Thurs, July 7.



Gomes is now replacing Saviliev in this chain of replacements. Looks like whatever happened to him as the Purple Pimp was serious enough.


I'm a little surprised at Seo being given Lilac Fairy...doesn't seem like her type of role at all.

Did anyone see H Seo 's LIlac Fairy?

#75 rg

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Posted 10 July 2011 - 07:25 AM

i don't think Seo performed Lilac at all.
prior to her scheduled debut she was scheduled (on a cast-change slip, on Wed.?) to replace Riccetto, who was injured, and then Seo got injured. so i think she didn't dance the rest of the run.

[disregard my assumpton; see correct information below by VirginaB]


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