Jump to content


Does that stuff of 32 fouettes really exixt???You almost never never see 32 fouettes


  • Please log in to reply
46 replies to this topic

#31 Marga

Marga

    Platinum Circle

  • Senior Member
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,022 posts

Posted 26 January 2012 - 02:53 PM

It seems to me that the whole point of the fouettés in Swan Lake is to provide a final, mesmerizing, exclamation point to the seduction of the Prince. After those spiraling spins, he should be completely hypnotized in order to truly believe that Odile is his beloved Odette.

That is why I also think that 32 straightforward single fouettés is the way to go. You just can't cast a spell if you keep interrupting the rhythm of the turns! The doubles and triples and other tricks should be reserved for Don Q where they are appropriate.

#32 JMcN

JMcN

    Bronze Circle

  • Senior Member
  • PipPipPipPip
  • 364 posts

Posted 27 January 2012 - 01:58 AM

Cinnamonswirl's post #20 mentions the fouette music in Don Q. I've just had a look at a couple of clips on youtube and to my untrained ear that also has short groupings that a conductior could break out of if the ballerina wanted to finish early.

#33 Ray

Ray

    Gold Circle

  • Senior Member
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 983 posts

Posted 30 January 2012 - 03:22 PM

This might be from Don Q (someone correct me if I'm wrong [Esmeralda--THANKS, Mme. Hermine!] )--some unusual fouettes from Jennifer Gelfand:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okuzv1lIFSA&feature=share

#34 Mme. Hermine

Mme. Hermine

    Emeralds Circle

  • Senior Member
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 3,641 posts

Posted 30 January 2012 - 03:42 PM

Esmeralda!Posted Image

#35 SandyMcKean

SandyMcKean

    Gold Circle

  • Senior Member
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 922 posts

Posted 30 January 2012 - 05:54 PM

some unusual fouettes from Jennifer Gelfand:


Cool. In this case I like the dramatic effect of the various ways she departs from single fouettes. I guess for me it depends on the story situation and on the "feel " of the music.

Quite spectacular isn't she!

#36 cubanmiamiboy

cubanmiamiboy

    Diamonds Circle

  • Senior Member
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 5,166 posts

Posted 31 January 2012 - 12:51 AM

How about doubles so Diana can throw some arrows in between her fouettes...?Posted Image



#37 Drew

Drew

    Platinum Circle

  • Senior Member
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,116 posts

Posted 31 January 2012 - 01:30 PM

Cool. In this case I like the dramatic effect of the various ways she departs from single fouettes. I guess for me it depends on the story situation and on the "feel " of the music.



That sounds like the right approach though I would add explicitly (what you were probably assuming)--it also depends on the quality (better strong singles than sloppy doubles)...but I have come to miss brilliant, whipping, fast singles...

#38 SandyMcKean

SandyMcKean

    Gold Circle

  • Senior Member
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 922 posts

Posted 31 January 2012 - 03:35 PM

.....it also depends on the quality (better strong singles than sloppy doubles)


For sure.

Even beyond that......even if the 2 performances are strong, one dancer might add a flair, or a characterization, that makes one strong performance work where the other doesn't.

Performing arts are a funny thing, aren't they? In the final analysis, the only thing that really counts is your reaction to it. If you like it, you like it; if you don't, you don't. Many times, there is no more to it than that.....in spite of the all the words we bandy about. I will say there is one glaring pitfall to the philosophy I just espoused; namely, that we, the audience, may miss something in the performance, or in the creator's intent, that if we knew more and understood more, we might like (or even more than like) the piece. I can think of many, many situations where I didn't particularly like something, but then seeing it again, even the next night, or perhaps years later after I've come to appreciate that style, the piece comes together for me and I then love it.

I know what I attempt to do as much as possible, and that is to approach anything I don't particularly like (unless it is obviously amateurish) as my problem, not the problem of the piece. I can count on one hand the times that did not turn out to be the case Posted Image. As an aside, just read movie reviews by the viewing public.......if I read one more that says; "What a boring movie, no plot whatsoever" about a non-shoot-em-up movie that has deep characterization, I will scream.

#39 bart

bart

    Diamonds Circle

  • Board Moderator
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 7,310 posts

Posted 31 January 2012 - 03:37 PM

but I have come to miss brilliant, whipping, fast singles...

Me too. Is it possible that audiences nowadays see singles as a kind of cheating? An admission that one can't do more?

I'm not sure of the narrataive context for the Gelfand fouettes but ... isn't Esmeralda a street dancer? -- i.e. a popular entertainer. Given that particular "story situation,: to use Sandy's term, it makes sense to be a little flashy.

But, she seems to require a rather slow tempo to get through them. She shifts to pique pirouettes before the end of the music, which may defeat her earlier bravura intentions.

#40 Mme. Hermine

Mme. Hermine

    Emeralds Circle

  • Senior Member
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 3,641 posts

Posted 31 January 2012 - 03:46 PM

not really, bart; i think the idea was to get faster and faster gradually; jennifer was easily capable of very fast turns as well; she comes out of four pirouettes into a short run of fast chaines and where the film cuts off, she runs upstage to join her partner, so she wasnt meant to do any more fouettes than she did.

#41 Helene

Helene

    Administrator

  • Administrators
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 10,588 posts

Posted 31 January 2012 - 05:10 PM

One of the reasons I dislike the trick in the first place is how rarely fouettes are done well and properly. Most of the time, especially with singles, the place the leg whips migrate to the front and the working leg gets sloppy. At least with doubles it's more likely that the dancer does the full rotation in passe and has a chance to reset for the next "whip."

#42 Mme. Hermine

Mme. Hermine

    Emeralds Circle

  • Senior Member
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 3,641 posts

Posted 03 February 2012 - 04:37 AM

this showed up this morning, in the diana and actaeon coda vein-



#43 cubanmiamiboy

cubanmiamiboy

    Diamonds Circle

  • Senior Member
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 5,166 posts

Posted 03 February 2012 - 05:54 PM

What I notice a lot, included in this last clip, is a tendency to not extend the working leg all the way a la seconde, but to keep it bent at the knee. It is really rare to find nowadays a ballerina extending her fouette to a perfect 90 degree angle, as it Miss Suarez does here next...



#44 Mme. Hermine

Mme. Hermine

    Emeralds Circle

  • Senior Member
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 3,641 posts

Posted 04 February 2012 - 03:28 AM

You know, everyone has some part of a step that they're better at than others, or at least very good at. It's easier to pull it apart into itsy bitsy components with a film than real life, because in real life you only get to see it once (even if you have a film; how many times I've seen a film of a show I saw and not had it quite seem the same, and I was there!). And sometimes a position that's achieved for only a split second appears to not be there at all, and yet if you had the ability to be that precise with stopping a film you could see it was achieved, just barely, or for a tiny nanosecond.

I suppose at some point we will find a dancer who does one fouette and 32 pirouettes someday! Posted Image

#45 lmspear

lmspear

    Senior Member

  • Senior Member
  • PipPipPip
  • 152 posts

Posted 04 February 2012 - 05:11 AM

Someone will build a tiny turntable counterpart to the contraption that allows the Sugar Plum Fairy glide in the Balanchine Nutcracker.Posted Image


0 user(s) are reading this topic

0 members, 0 guests, 0 anonymous users


Help support Ballet Alert! and Ballet Talk for Dancers year round by using this search box for your amazon.com purchases (adblockers may block display):