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#61 aurora

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Posted 30 August 2010 - 05:45 PM

I think selling pointes is great. I just was pointing out that these egotistical donors might also consider funding the insurance of the young dancers instead of relying on the sale of pointes for this. Heck I bought a pair and love having them.


Their insurance is part of their contract so far as I know. Where are you getting this? It isn't like only those who sell point shoes get insurance, and ultimately it is all going to the same funding pool, no?...

#62 SanderO

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Posted 31 August 2010 - 03:59 PM

I asked where the cash they collect from the sales go and was told that it funds insurance for the younger dancers at ABT. I don't recall whether this was the corps, or the school or what. All I remember is that it was for insurance.

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Posted 31 August 2010 - 05:42 PM

I asked where the cash they collect from the sales go and was told that it funds insurance for the younger dancers at ABT. I don't recall whether this was the corps, or the school or what. All I remember is that it was for insurance.

The on-line sales site for ABT autographed shoes (http://www.abt.org/Store/shoes.asp) says at the very bottom:
"All proceeds benefit ABT and The Dancers' Emergency Fund."

The Friends sales table at intermission seems to be staffed by very dedicated and hard-working volunteers and perhaps "Dancers' Emergency Fund" is what they intended.

On-line, they also sell ABT Capezio dancewear: http://www.abt.org/Store/default.asp
There it says: "All proceeds from American Ballet Theatre's on-line store sales directly support American Ballet Theatre's education programs and performances."
So, perhaps younger dancers in their educational programs are benefitting and that's what the volunteers you spoke with were thinking of.

Gift shops are big money-makers for all of the arts (museums, opera, ballet, etc.). More power to them!

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Posted 01 September 2010 - 01:29 AM

I've heard from a reliable source of donors being encouraged to sponsor a specific dancer or project only to discover that the cash was spent quite differently. People that have been generous on one occasion are therefore unlikely to be caught out twice.

Some years ago I worked for a big charity that received a donation left specifically for the benefit of the staff and instead the money was used to revamp the building's reception area thereby employing a friend of one of the directors. It didn't need any work done as it had already been refurbished thanks to a very famous donor who mostly made his gifts away from the public eye, not surprisingly I am now very cynical about charitable giving.

#65 SanderO

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Posted 02 September 2010 - 04:19 AM

The charity industry is as corrupt as any other and perhaps even more so. Where there is money, there is power. Where there is money to be dispersed, their is corruption and nepotism.

Money is the root of all evil seems to be an apt phrase.

The people in need usually are the last ones to see charity.

#66 bart

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Posted 02 September 2010 - 04:38 AM

The people in need usually are the last ones to see charity.

Well, yes ... and no.

Somtimes it is better to live with -- and work to reform -- the imperfect systems that we have than to hold out for the unlikely hope of a perfect world. I'm reminded of E.M. Forster's sly phrase: "Two Cheers for Democracy." Also, the response I once heard to someone's claim that Life was Unbearable: "But consider the alternative." Also, Grandma's advice for generations: "Don't throw the baby out with the bath water."

Short of eliminating capitalism and completely revising the nature of power politics, what real alternatives do we have?

Wouldn't it be better to work for greater transparency in arts funding and charity (so we can easily find out what is actually going on) and to create reasonable, fair, and enforceable regulations to govern these activities?

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Posted 02 September 2010 - 07:31 PM

Bart,

This is veering away from Arts Funding,

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Posted 04 September 2010 - 07:32 PM

I've been preoccupied with some work lately, and have only now read through this thread, so I have the advantage of seeing everyone in a bunch -- forgive me for the cherry-picking here!


We have a long history of wealthy people with histories that some consider unsavory, who donated huge sums of money that benefitted everybody. Andrew Carnegie ... Andrew Mellon ... Ford Foundation ... Rockefeller Foundation ...


A good point, and not just a 19th-20th century phenomenon. Some people have equated this kind of public giving with the old practice of buying indulgences from the Catholic Church, an attempt to ameliorate the backlash for certain behaviors by currying favor, though I wouldn't go anywhere near that far! Philanthropy is motivated by all kinds of elements, some truly self-effacing, but most not. In general, the current emphasis for board membership and/or donation is more on civic engagement and networking/promotion than on wielding some kind of influence over artistic content, though that does still happen.


What I would prefer to see is that donations are funneled through some sort of arts umbrella organization and are effectively anonymously passed on to the individual arts organizations.


This actually does happen, more often than I think the denizens of this board believe, based on the response to this comment. In Seattle, a socially prominent part of the community banded together as PONCHO (an acronym I can't find the source for) to raise money for the arts in the 1960s through a series of auctions, the proceeds of which were disbursed by a separate committee who fielded applications. The application process has been pretty rigorous, and an unintended side product of it was that if you managed to get a PONCHO grant other funders figured you knew what you were doing and looked at you a bit more favorably. More recently, Arts Fund has done a similar thing, raising money from corporations and disbursing it rather like the United Way does with social/health safety net funding.


Altria is all over the arts world. The only thing that's changed is the name. In 2009, the company gave $3 million to arts organizations.


I don't think bart meant that the tobacco companies have gone away entirely. They still give but it's more on the downlow than it used to be and organizations are more chary of being associated with them too openly. Some of that is window dressing, yes, but nevertheless there has been a sea change in how the tobacco companies and their sponsorships are viewed. So all of those protests and complaints weren't all in vain.


I do know of several groups that have not solicited or accepted funds from tobacco companies or their agents, but as many people point out, it is difficult to say 'no' to an opportunity.


At this point I think it would be exceptional for a performance venue not to be named after a donor.


I agree -- I was gobsmacked when a group of local donors gave a substantial gift to the local art museum to acquire the acreage for an outdoor sculpture park with the caveat that it could not be named after them. Instead, it's named after the mountain range it looks out to.


If I had beaucoup $$$, there would be something associated with electricians at some opera house named after my parents.


My sister and I really wanted to donate something to the local opera house when it was remodeled, if they would let us name a bathroom stall after our mother, who used to complain about the lack of facilities!

(this is my first go-round with the "multi-quote" function -- what a time-saver!)

#69 Drew

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Posted 04 September 2010 - 08:25 PM

I am one of those who think it is at best hopeless and at worst counter-productive to put pressure on companies to exclude potential donors for moral or political reasons. I would though agree that they should, in the normal course of things, refuse money from donors who expect to influence artistic policy in direct fashion. Even good suggestions from a donor could set a bad precedent. (I added "in the normal course of things" because I guess Balanchine, for example, would not necessarily have chosen to choreograph for Tilly Losch but, as Tim Gunn would say, he made it work. And I'm sure one could come up with many other examples.)

Of course, in a general way, donors are influencing artistic policy and its accompanying 'politics'(which may or may not have an obvious content or serve an external purpose) simply by virtue of what/who they choose to support. What if Lincoln Kirstein had decided to focus his energies on one of his other loves such as sculpture? Perhaps Central Park would have a remarkable sculpture garden and Lincoln Center have no home for ballet at all.

This does not mean that I'm not sympathetic to those who feel some pangs at the current situation. Having the New York State Theater renamed for a private donor (whatever his politics) was something of a mild shock to me and (speaking for myself only of course) the particular politics of the donor involved did not...um...er...soften the blow.

BUT I do not think it is entirely hopeless or at all counter-productive to put pressure on political figures and government generally (local and federal) to support the arts, including pressure to try to keep the dispersal of public funds in the hands of people in the arts world, i.e. people whose moral/political agendas will at the very least be mediated by a primary committment to the art forms in question. The more public funding is available the less need for artists to go hat-in-hand to ... whoever. (I do realize that public funding, too, is never entirely 'pure.')

I fully understand that many of us may choose to place our public priorities elsewhere, but letting political figures know that public support for the arts matters--and could even influence votes--could possibly have some sort of impact. Though I realize it's a long shot, since I'm guessing the numbers of people for whom this issue will ever be a deal-breaker when it comes to votes and other kinds of support is very small.

(In one election a candidate I otherwise disliked was on record as supporting the creation of a national commissioner for boxing--something I strongly support, but recognize is probably not a "deal breaker" issue in a major election ( :dry: ahem)--but I just loved telling all my friends, that it was making me reconsider my vote. Unfortunately I was never able to convince any of them I was serious. But with arts funding maybe one could pull it off...and threaten to stay at home if no-one would come out in favor!)

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Posted 06 September 2010 - 08:20 AM

A fundraising mechanism is putting wealthy donors on your Board of Directors - but having a Board full of wealthy people ignorant about an art form, and about the very workings of the company they control, is what scares me the most. Time was that the key donors actually knew something and had some pronounced taste, good or middling or at least somewhat informed. Nelson Rockefeller collected art and new something about it; Kierstein had to negotiate things with him. Company boards here up until about five to ten years ago had more general knowledge and independent insight than I believe they do today. As time has gone by, a business model has been followed.

Company artistic directors who are in place for a long, long time, have an obvious interest in having (wealthy, generous, glamorous, but) utterly compliant and passive boards that let them run things to their their liking.

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Posted 19 September 2010 - 09:29 AM

As a contrast to the U.S. system (dependence on private philanthropy, with a small and declining public component), here are the figures for Pina Bausch's Tanztheater Wuppertal.

Total budget for latest year (*) : $6.8 million (5.3m euros):

Amount contributed by city and regional government: $4.2 million (3.3m euros)

Money from ticket sales, donations, and other sources: $2.6 million (2m euros)

That means that the government share is roughly 61-62%. This is mind-boggling from a North American perspective.

On the one hand, the commitment of Wuppertal and the state of North Rhine-Westphalia to a dance company is admirable in my book. On the other hand, I wonder how this funding priority was decided, by whom, and for what reasons.

To spend on one thing means NOT to spend on another. Tanztheater's feast is someone else's famine.

Deciding what is right in situations like this is not easy.

http://www.nytimes.c...uppertal&st=cse

(*) Roslyn Sulcas' article does not specify which year. From the context, it seems cleare that this was an extension of a level that existed prior to Bausch's death.

#72 miliosr

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Posted 21 October 2010 - 05:35 PM

What's the word from our UK posters regarding the recently announced budget cuts (30% for the Arts Council)? SimonG? Leonid??


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