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#16 dirac

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Posted 08 March 2010 - 06:21 PM

I fear Lysacek's a hopeless case, although he has worked very hard on his presentation over the years. Who knows, he may do better on dry land - as Weir was saying on the telly the other night, dancing is very different from skating.

miliosr, any thoughts on the lineup?

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Posted 09 March 2010 - 04:33 PM

miliosr, any thoughts on the lineup?


Well, for starters, I'm happy ABC cut the number of celebrities back to 11. I boycotted the last season because it had become bloated in terms of the number of dancers (and in everything else, really.)

As far as the actual casting, I feel like the show is in a bit of a rut. This will be the third season with contestants from 90210, All My Children and The Bachelor. This will also be the sixth season (at least) with a contestant from the National Football League and the fourth season (at least) with an Olympic medal winner. So, to my mind, the casting has grown stale.

Based on fan base, I would handicap Evan Lysacek as the early favorite -- Anna Trebunskaya would have to be just terrible as a coach and a choreographer to screw up the fan base advantage. Buzz Aldrin will get votes for awhile because, well, he's the astronaut with the coolest name in the history of astronauts. Shannen Doherty might be able to challenge Lysacek because she has legions of 90210 fans to this very day. (And she'll be an entertaining contestant because she's just as likely to belt Mark Ballas as work with him.)

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Posted 24 March 2010 - 04:24 PM

Season premiere debuts big:

http://tvbythenumber...ow-levels/45782

Obviously, America doesn't agree with me that the casting has grown stale!

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Posted 24 March 2010 - 05:06 PM

Does no one learn on this show--ie. how to dance better? When I found out Lysecek was going to be on the program, I was hoping a good instructor/choreographer would get him to use his line better, and yes, stop semaphoring without meaning.


No, of course, some people learn how to dance on the show. A fair number actually come out the other side with some actual dance skills.

The pros that I think actually have a good track record of actually teaching their celebrities how to dance pretty consistently are the following: Cheryl Burke, Kym Johnson, Louis Van Amstel, Jonathan Roberts, and the Wonder Triplets (Julianne Hough, Derek Hough and Mark Ballas). Allowances have to be made for the individual celebrity's physical abilities, talent, background and attitude, but most of their celebs show pretty clear improvement from Week 1 until they leave the show.

The pros that really seem to have variable results based on the celeb are Maksim Chmerkovsky and Karina Smirnoff. I think they can teach some students, but it really seems to depend on whether they "click" or not.

The pros that tend to have minimal success in actually teaching their celebs are the following: Anna Trebunskaya, Alec Mazo, Edyta Sliwinska, and Tony Dovolani. I very rarely see any real improvement in their celebrities from week to week.

I do think Anna might work out with Evan Lysacek, though. He's not my favorite skater, but he is obviously athletically-talented, hard-working and used to being coached. Anna's teaching seems to consist mainly of the "Do this!" *demonstration* method, which doesn't work with most beginners because it they have little to no ability to imitate the demonstration, and it doesn't give beginners any idea where to start. Evan may actually be talented enough and well-trained enough to recreate Anna's movements with his body even if he doesn't have the concepts explained to him. For example, Evan's actually getting bend in his knees and real push in his steps, which most of Anna's celebs never accomplish (Jerry Rice never got this even after months), and I would guess it's because he can see Anna do it and mimic it even though she doesn't articulate it.

I don't know if it will work with the concepts of leading/following, but that is pretty invisible to most laypeople even if it would never work in real competition or the social dance floor.

I think Evan will have a harder time keeping his arms under control on the Latin/Rhythm side, though.

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Posted 25 March 2010 - 06:06 AM

It looks as if Anna/Evan have the Jive next week.

Really liked Nicole/Derek. I like when beautiful people let their dork flag fly. In that regard she's a cute match with Derek who can be a bit of spaz sometimes. She has lovely lines and can seemingly handle Derek's choreography well.

I surprised myself by how much I like Pam Anderson! Most celebrities are a bit tentative/stiff on the first dance. She let loose with all the momentum of a freight
train which made it a fun dance to watch. If she can tighten up on the wildness and get serious with the technique she actually might be a contender.

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Posted 30 March 2010 - 03:55 PM

Round One - Week Two:

Scores:

01 28pts Nicole/Derek (jive)
02 24pts Evan/Anna (jive)
03 23pts Erin/Maksim (foxtrot)
04 22pts Pamela/Damian (foxtrot)
05 21pts Niecy/Louis (foxtrot)
06 20pts Shannen/Mark (jive)
06 20pts Jake/Chelsie (jive)
08 19pts Aiden/Edyta (foxtrot)
09 16pts Chad/Cheryl (foxtrot)
10 15pts Kate/Tony (jive)
11 12pts Buzz/Ashly (foxtrot)

(Sorry, I don't have the scores from last week so I can't give combined totals for the two performances.)

General Thoughts:

1) New season, same old Mark Ballas -- he can never bring himself to tone down his performance so that it matches up more cleanly with the performance of his celebrity amateur, can he? Watching poor Shannen try to keep pace with him last night was painful. Better for him to simplify things so that his partner looks better which, after all, is the point of the competition. (During a commercial break last night, I rewatched Mark and Shawn's freestyle from Season 8 and it was the same thing -- poor Shawn was struggling to keep pace.)

2) Oh Louis! Listening to him drone on about "being the mirror" and "being the truth" for Niecy gave me flashbacks to poor Monique, who he turned into a psychological mess by the end of her season. As for Niecy, her personality is a lot like Marissa's -- she will divide the audience like Moses parting the Red Sea.

3) Against all odds, I am enjoying Pamela and Damian the most. Unlike most everyone else, she is good at portraying a character in whatever dance she is performing. It was a little odd, though, how she stayed in character as "Marilyn" during the post-dance interview with Brooke Burke.

4) I'm all for bringing back obscure words into common usage but Len Goodman was probably ill-advised to use "titivate" to describe Pamela's performance.

5) I can't be objective about Kate Gosselin. ("Kids, Mommy has a new reality program on ABC. Take care of each other while I'm gone!") And yes, I know I'm being unfair -- deal with it!!!!!

Who's Going:

My guess is Buzz goes. His scores are so low that I don't know if any fan base could save him. (And, if Dial Idol is correct, I most definitely overestimated the size of his fan base.)

Still, the first elimination is always an odd one because often it is a middle-of-the-packer (in terms of judges' scores) who goes. We'll see tonight!

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Posted 30 March 2010 - 04:05 PM

7:02PM

Tom Bergeron declares Buzz and Ashly safe and Brooke Burke declares Pamela and Damian in the Bottom Two.

WOW!!!

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Posted 30 March 2010 - 05:02 PM

Result for Round One:

Wow.

Shannen and Mark join Pamela and Damian in the Bottom Two with Shannen and Mark going.

The result is a travesty (based on actual dancing) BUT not a completely unexplainable travesty. Shannen and Mark never generated much excitement and, so, they got lost in the pack. And, since the 90210 fans obviously didn't show up for the vote, less deserving celebrities like Aiden, Buzz and Kate live to dance another day.

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Posted 31 March 2010 - 08:36 AM

You know I probably would have been more upset by Kate Gosselin surviving this week's elimination if I hadn't already been emotionally gobsmacked by Emmanuel Pierre-Antoine's story prior to his Macys Stars of Dance bit. I've always loved his dancing in American Rhythm competitions. He imbues his steps with an infectious joy. So I was at first excited to see him on my T.V. screen last night. But then they showed a picture of his adorable 2 year old son who was in Haiti when the earthquake hit and I literally yelled No! at the screen before he confirmed that his son had been killed in the quake.
So..... Kate Gosselin still staying on this show, while annoying and slightly nausea inducing is nowhere near enough to be a tragedy and I'm sure she'll be gone soon. :cool:
I really like Pamela Anderson! I like having my preconceptions about people proven wrong now and again. It keeps you on your toes.

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Posted 05 April 2010 - 06:01 PM

Week Three - Round Two:

01 26pts Evan/Anna (quickstep)
02 23pts Erin/Maks (waltz)
02 23pts Nicole/Derek (quickstep)
04 21pts Jake/Chelsie (quickstep)
04 21pts Niecy/Louis (waltz)
04 21pts Pamela/Damian (paso doble)
07 20pts Aiden/Edyta (quickstep)
07 20pts Chad/Cheryl (paso doble)
09 15pts Kate/Tony (paso doble)
10 13pts Buzz/Ashly (waltz)

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Posted 06 April 2010 - 04:59 PM

Results - Elimination Two:

Buzz/Ashly and Jake/Chelsie are Bottom Two w/ Buzz and Ashly leaving.

Buzz was a gallant competitor but, at 80, he was never going to keep pace with his younger competitors and, sure enough, he didn't. An appropriate elimination.

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Posted 07 April 2010 - 08:34 AM

I read in today's NY Times that NYCB principal dancer Tiler Peck will be appearing on Dancing w Stars on Tuesday.

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Posted 08 April 2010 - 03:03 PM

I read in today's NY Times that NYCB principal dancer Tiler Peck will be appearing on Dancing w Stars on Tuesday.


In what capacity?

#29 dirac

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Posted 08 April 2010 - 03:21 PM

I put up a link to the NYT item earlier this week, although I can't remember which day offhand. I think she was going to be a guest of some kind, not a competitor.

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Posted 08 April 2010 - 03:22 PM

Interesting piece from TVbytheNumbers regarding Dancing with the Stars and how it compares to American Idol in terms of audience demographics and ad rates charged:

http://tvbythenumber...rt-642000/47727


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