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#16 dirac

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Posted 29 June 2009 - 04:05 PM

What that might have done for her career, who knows?


You canít say for certain in such situations, but although I like Jackson a lot I donít think the role would necessarily have done for her what it did for Streep. Jackson did get another shot with Making Love, which sank like a stone, along with any future Jackson might have had in feature films. (ML also featured two other actors who did better in television, Harry Hamlin and Michael Ontkean. We have an existing thread on the movie here, if anyone is interested.)

It was certainly shortsighted of the CA producers not to be more flexible -- Jackson had no choice except to leave the show or spend the rest of her career wondering what if. Probably Spelling miscalculated, figuring that if the show could do well without Fawcett-Majors it could survive the loss of Jackson, too.

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Posted 29 June 2009 - 04:49 PM

I'm voting for Kelly Garrett. Jaclyn Smith was a more subtle presence than the other two. Kate Jackson was a better actress and Farrah was more overtly sexy so I think Jaclyn gets the short end of the Angel stick sometimes, but I always liked her cool, elegant way.


Well said perky. While Jackson had the acting chops and Fawcett-Majors had the charisma, Smith had a certain mysterious presence that provided a nice contrast to the more wholesome personas of the other Angels. Until Julie came along in Season 5, Kelly Garrett always struck me as the one Angel who had seen the dark side of life before entering the police academy and then joining the Townsend Detective Agency.


I think Hack and Roberts just weren't up to the established Angels standard in looks and general appeal, which in retrospect was reasonably high.


I agree with you in part dirac. I thought the Roberts hire was a disaster because it went against the whole premise of the show -- professional female detectives (albeit ones who chased tough criminals down Malibu beaches in bikinis!) The Julie character wasn't even an ex-police officer like the five others -- she was "a top fashion model" [Note: Yeah right!] who wound up by happenstance as a member of the agency.

That being said, I think Shelley Hack gets a bum rap for her participation in Season 4. The producers hired Hack to fill the "Smart Angel" void left by Jackson but they correctly deduced that the audience wouldn't stand for the newest Angel assuming Sabrina's leadership position and bossing the more senior Angels around. So, they took their time integrating the Tiffany character into the cast. Unfortunately, I think they took too long.

After the Season 4 premiere ("Love Boat Angels" -- yes, that Love Boat), the Tiffany character practically disappeared while the production staff instituted the new 'Solo Angel' format (w/ solo outings for Smith and Ladd) and aired several of Farrah's "return" episodes (to get out of her contract, Farrah was legally obligated to make three appearances in Season 3 and another three in Season 4.) By the time the show runners got back to the "3 Angel format", the whispers had already started that the newest Angel wasn't integrating with the rest of the team and Hack became the scapegoat when the ratings took a dip. (My own feeling is that the departure of Jackson and the novelty of the show wearing thin were the true culprits for the ratings slide.) It's a shame Aaron Spelling axed her because, by mid-season, the writers had started to integrate Tiffany into the team and she really was a true Angel by the end of the fourth season.

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Posted 30 June 2009 - 04:16 AM

You canít say for certain in such situations, but although I like Jackson a lot I donít think the role would necessarily have done for her what it did for Streep.



Oh I don't know Dirac,

Couldn't you just see Kate Jackson as a downtrodden working class girl awaiting her fiance's return from Vietnam? Or, Wandering the barracks of Auschwitz trying to decide which of her children to sacrifice? Or, Whistle blowing on dangerous safety measures in a nuclear power plant and being killed for it? Or, Refusing to cry even though dingoes DID eat her baby? Or, Peeling an orange on her farm in Africa? Or, Expiring from consumption prettily as a 19th century French lieutenant's woman, whos husband is lost in the Franco/Prussian war or breaking into ABBA's The Winner Takes It All in front of Pierce Brosnan for no apparent reason whatsoever in what must be the most over-feted, saccharine, maudlin, mediocre film of all time?

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Posted 30 June 2009 - 07:42 AM

Perhaps not those roles, but she'd have gotten a lot more exposure, which could have led to other good career choices. She not a worse actor than Pierce Brosnan, who wasn't worthy to shine Meryl Streep's shoes in that movie.

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Posted 30 June 2009 - 09:19 AM

She not a worse actor than Pierce Brosnan.



Helene,

If you can find me 10 who are worse actors than Pierce Brosnan. I swear on a stack of bibles, I will pay your rent/ mortgage, gas, electricity, utility bills for a year.

#21 Helene

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Posted 30 June 2009 - 11:23 AM

She not a worse actor than Pierce Brosnan.



Helene,

If you can find me 10 who are worse actors than Pierce Brosnan. I swear on a stack of bibles, I will pay your rent/ mortgage, gas, electricity, utility bills for a year.

I was about to say watch most US soap operas, but I'm not sure they're bad actors or that they're just very good at a particular style.

But I would say the at least 10 actors who are worse than Pierce Brosnan are just about any Ken doll they cast for the single-episode love interests on "Star Trek: The Next Generation."

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Posted 30 June 2009 - 05:46 PM

I was about to say watch most US soap operas, but I'm not sure they're bad actors or that they're just very good at a particular style.


I actually think there are some marvelous actors on soaps (and always have been) but, in a genre where speed is of the essence (putting on five shows a week), soap acting will always have its limitations due to the time factor. In any event, I firmly believe the daytime soaps will all be gone by the end of the next decade. Guiding Light will leave us soon and As the World Turns will be next. The social and economic conditions that made the soaps possible are gone now and the soaps will go with them.

In happier news, Season Four of Charlie's Angels is coming out on DVD later this month!

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Posted 30 June 2009 - 06:51 PM

I'll have to take a look, they don't rerun the last seasons on cable. I could very well be too hard on Shelley Hack (although she didn't do much for Night Court, either) and you are right that she was scapegoated - the series was heading downhill anyway.

Don't forget Streep as the Southern lawyer who leads Alan Alda astray in The Seduction of Joe Tynan, SimonG. I really liked her rabbi in Angels in America, too.

Jackson had bad luck. I also liked Lindsay Wagner aka the Bionic Woman and thought she could have made it bigger than she did.

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Posted 27 August 2009 - 03:53 PM

Having watched the six disc Charlie's Angels - Season Four set released in July, I can safely say that the show's production staff bungled the integration of the Shelley Hack character, Tiffany Welles, into the show. Things start well enough with Shelley joing the cast in the two-hour season premiere, Love Boat Angels. But after that, the Tiffany character only factors in intermittently until about mid-season.

This was a big mistake because it gave the erroneous impression that the newest Angel wasn't integrating with the rest of the team onscreen (and gave rise to whispers off-screen that Hack wasn't meshing with her co-stars.) Those episodes from the season's first half which gave Shelley a lot to do are, in actuality, some of the best episodes of the season. Curiously, two of the episodes -- Angels On Campus and Angel Hunt -- were filmed very early in the season but weren't broadcast until the end of the first half. This was a big and inexplicable mistake because Angels On Campus is crucial to understanding the Tiffany Welles character and Angel Hunt shows Tiffany confessing her fears to the other Angels during a very stressful situation (they are being hunted by a big game hunter) but working through said fears to earn the respect of her teammates.

The original broadcast episode order ran like this:

01 Love Boat Angels (team episode - introduction of Tiffany - heavy emphasis on the Cheryl Ladd character, Kris)
02 Angels Go Truckin' (team episode)
03 Avenging Angel (Jaclyn Smith 'Solo Angel' episode)
04 Angels On the Altar (team episode - heavy emphasis on the Smith character, Kelly)

Watching the show in 2009, I would reorder the episodes to reflect the actual filmed order in order to better introduce the Tiffany character. (The numbers next to the episode titles reflect the original broadcast episode numbers):

01 Love Boat Angels (introduction of Tiffany)
10 Angels On Campus (Shelley 'Solo Angel' episode - background of Tiffany)
11 Angel Hunt (team episode - Tiffany integrates fully with the team)
02 Angels Go Truckin' (team episode - Tiffany no longer a rookie Angel)
(The remaining episodes can then follow in the original broadcast order.)

When you reorder the episodes like this, the Tiffany Welles character becomes much more central to the Townsend Detective Agency, even in subsequent episodes in which she doesn't play a big part. Unfortunately, by the time the focus did shift to her in Season Four, the whispers had already started about the newest Angel and she became a convenient scapegoat when the ratings took a modest dip that season.

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Posted 27 August 2009 - 07:23 PM

She not a worse actor than Pierce Brosnan.


Helene,

If you can find me 10 who are worse actors than Pierce Brosnan. I swear on a stack of bibles, I will pay your rent/ mortgage, gas, electricity, utility bills for a year.


It doesn't matter if Brosnan has all the acting ability of a pithed frog in a ninth grade biology lab. It matters how he looks in a tuxedo. Who watches him ACT, anyway?

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Posted 28 August 2009 - 04:07 AM

What a bizarre thread. I think I watched the show but thankfully like so much of the junk of TV it has gone forever down the memory hole.

Looking back it's kinda sad to see what a disaster TV became and what it is today and how it has informed so much of popular culture. It's not that early TV was not creative and entertaining, that was there, but what emerged as dominant was the worst of it and nonsense like Charlie's Angels may be the perfect example.

I did see Farah Fawcett in some other productions where she turned in a good dramatic performance rising above the garbage of that Angel role. My recollections of the others is dim, but I vaguely remember find Smith the more sultry of them, as if that means anything.

Perhaps a better poll would be about what early TV programs were memorable and represented TV at is best, such as Masterpiece Theater, or the David Susskind Show, Dinah Shore, Lassi and Rin Tin Tin, Carole Burnett, I remember Mana or even Ask Mr Wizard. hahahaha. I've developed such a negative reaction to TV I suspect it has obliterated most of my memories about the medium.

How bout that?

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Posted 28 August 2009 - 10:20 AM

TV has always been a mixed bag Ė highbrow, lowbrow, and everything in between. Personally Iíd rather watch an hour of the Angels than some of the tedious middlebrow stuff that was and is served up on Masterpiece (formerly Theatre), but to each his own.

This was a big mistake because it gave the erroneous impression that the newest Angel wasn't integrating with the rest of the team onscreen (and gave rise to whispers off-screen that Hack wasn't meshing with her co-stars.)



That is a puzzling decision - introduce a new leading character with great fanfare, and then she disappears for a goodly part of the season.....


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Posted 28 August 2009 - 10:47 AM

I loooooovvvvveee bad TV. My project for next week is to delve into the new "thirtysomething Season One" DVD's, so that I can roll my eyes and whine about how much they're whining.

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Posted 28 August 2009 - 11:59 AM

I didn't much care for thirtysomething but I wouldn't call it bad or kitsch TV. It was highly influential for better or worse and it did tell serious stories of a kind that didn't get much airing on networks at the time - or since, for that matter. The makers of the show have gone on to do some good work - Edward Zwick isn't my favorite director but he's turned into a decent one.

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Posted 21 May 2011 - 04:40 PM

Because you demanded it (OK, maybe not):



Don't know how I feel about the Angels being reformed criminals!


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