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#31 cubanmiamiboy

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Posted 23 July 2010 - 09:11 AM



http://www.collider....an_image_02.jpg :dry:


Say again, what was the title of the film? Black 'Coon?


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#32 Mel Johnson

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Posted 23 July 2010 - 09:55 AM

From the waist up, she looks all right (well, ok, the makeup is weird, like the Apprentice in "The Cage", but that's bugs and not birds; and what's with the hands being blacked?), but the lack of rotation of the thighs spells nondancer in ALL CAPS! Better had they cropped the photo at the bottom of the tutu.

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Posted 23 July 2010 - 03:09 PM

From the waist up, she looks all right (well, ok, the makeup is weird, like the Apprentice in "The Cage", but that's bugs and not birds; and what's with the hands being blacked?), but the lack of rotation of the thighs spells nondancer in ALL CAPS! Better had they cropped the photo at the bottom of the tutu.


Leaving the amusing raccooning behind, perhaps the intention of the photographer is just not to have a typical ballet pic and make a metaphor about the character's inner conflicts.

He may have wanted to show the depths of the character. Ballerina from the waist up, but another thing from the waist down, like she is a feisty, aggresive woman used to fight for what she wants. Then, Dirac's comment makes much sense - that leg position is, almost, the one of a left-handed fencer en garde.

Of course, I could be talking without rhyme or reason, as it is known to have happened before. :angel_not:

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Posted 23 July 2010 - 04:55 PM

Looks like this swan made her nest in some fresh black tar.

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Posted 23 July 2010 - 05:18 PM

From the waist up, she looks all right (well, ok, the makeup is weird, like the Apprentice in "The Cage", but that's bugs and not birds; and what's with the hands being blacked?), but the lack of rotation of the thighs spells nondancer in ALL CAPS! Better had they cropped the photo at the bottom of the tutu.


Well said. I also think the lack of support of the arms is a giveaway. It is hard or perhaps impossible to make a non-dancer look believably like a dancer. It's funny that the headline of the article says "Natalie Portman Sports Stunning Ballerina Makeup in New 'Black Swan' Stills." Ballerina make-up indeed!!

I understand that Maria Riccetto was a dance double for Maria Kunis. Frankly I can't wait to see the movie.

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Posted 23 July 2010 - 06:14 PM

I'm wondering if the makeup and tutu is for a dance sequence?
The Zorro mask would help to make it harder to tell the switch from Portman to Sarah Lane. Of course WE could but what about the general audience?
I too think the photo should have been cropped at the waist level.

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Posted 24 July 2010 - 04:21 AM

Hollywood is so formulaic in how they do films. Not only is it stereotyping on steroids, but is driven by how to make tons of money. Not very different from most endeavors, but the arts seems to at least seem to have a loftier purpose. Movies from Hollywood are meant to entertain the largest audience possible and so they will used whatever they can to drawn them into the theatre such as star power and the usual themes of murder, jealousy, lust and so forth. The public never seems to tire of the same story repackaged constantly in different contexts, genres, eras, with the latest collection of box office draws,

With this in mind, don't expect much from a Hollywood (or any commercial) movie which used ballet as the genre. The up side for ballet is that perhaps some people might be inspired to take a closer look at it and discover what draws ballet lovers in. If that happens and it ultimately helps more companies survive and prosper, or inspires some new talent it will have served a noble purpose without this as being the intent of the writer or directors and certainly the studio.

It never ceases to amaze me how we humans can spend so much time involving ourselves with the same story told over and over again. Of course, for lovers of the classic arts, we are no different going again and again and again to see the same ballet, opera, play or painting. I suppose the reason has to do with subtlety, nuance, interpretation, perfection, vision etc. Ballet lovers lower your expectations when Hollywood has used ballet as a vehicle.

When you want to have a true ballet experience, go to the real deal or a documentary.

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Posted 24 July 2010 - 06:13 AM

I'm wondering if the makeup and tutu is for a dance sequence?
The Zorro mask would help to make it harder to tell the switch from Portman to Sarah Lane. Of course WE could but what about the general audience?
I too think the photo should have been cropped at the waist level.


Wiith a dance substitute, you don't need to have any special knowledge of ballet to know when the double goes into the game, sometimes even when the shot is very brief. It will be especially obvious if the dance excerpt goes on for any meaningful length of time.

If the ballerina protagonist is having identity issues, then maybe the mask is part of an incident in the plot. Portman sees Kunis in the same costume and mask and gets freaked out, or something. Or maybe somebody just thought it looked cool.

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Posted 24 July 2010 - 11:06 AM

Vipa wrote:

Well said. I also think the lack of support of the arms is a giveaway. It is hard or perhaps impossible to make a non-dancer look believably like a dancer. It's funny that the headline of the article says "Natalie Portman Sports Stunning Ballerina Makeup in New 'Black Swan' Stills." Ballerina make-up indeed!!

Vipa, I agree with you. Her make-up reminds me of Bourne's "Swan Lake." I enjoy Portman's work. She's one of the few young actresses of substance out there right now. However, I hope the screenplay doesn't flow erratically like "Goya's Ghosts:" Natalie did excellent work in that film in spite of the plot. If "Black Swan" is as good as "The Company," great. If it's like "Center Stage" or "The Hills" meets "The Turning Point," not great.

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Posted 24 July 2010 - 11:19 AM

I've got it! Let's turn this production over to Oliver Stone! That way, we'll learn things about ballet that we never dreamed existed, and in fact, don't, but Oliver will present them that way anyway! :FIREdevil:

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Posted 24 July 2010 - 01:52 PM

According to Wikipedia, ABT's Sarah Lane was Portman's dance double for "Black Swan". Interesting choice...
From what I've seen of Lane's dancing, I imagined her as a potential Giselle or Lise rather than Odette/Odile.

I'm excited to see the film. And now I understand why I glimpsed Vincent Cassel near Lincoln Center a few times :lightbulb:



Maria Riccetto was also cast as the double for Mila Kunis. Based purely on body type, not sure how great of a match it is. Maria is much more filled out muscle-wise compared to Kunis who is very very thin. Exciting opportunity for both Lane and Riccetto though!


edit: Whoops! Did not see Vipa's comment before I posted. Sorry

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Posted 24 July 2010 - 05:17 PM

Raccoon is good, but I was thinking along the lines of "Zorro - as you've NEVER seen him before!"

Zorro did use a bull whip occasionally, and when I saw the photo my first thought was that Portman has the stride and demeanor of a whip-toting bad-girl striding across the stage in high-heel black leather boots. Odile as dominatrix?

However, the index finger of the left hand is indeed vaguely and subtly balletic.

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Posted 24 July 2010 - 05:34 PM

With this in mind, don't expect much from a Hollywood (or any commercial) movie which used ballet as the genre. T



Ordinarily I would agree, but Darren Aronofsky has a history of making interesting movies - Pi, Requiem for a Dream, The Fountain and most recently The Wrestler. Whether you like his movies or not (I do like them) they have never seemed formulaic to me. So I'm hopeful.

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Posted 25 July 2010 - 08:00 AM

There is a clip about this film in YT



A few dance scenes could be seen.

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Posted 26 July 2010 - 07:02 AM

The first clip, of Ashley Bouder & Benjamin Millepied in The Four Seasons, is from a video Kristin Sloan/NYCB made about their London trip. I think the last clip is from an NYCB video as well. Not sure about the second.


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