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[dirac]

bart writes:

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Multiple pirouettes with the man supporting his partner at the waist and apparently doing the spinning for her are dramatic. But, for some reason, it's precisely in these that some men show the most stress: sometimes biting their lips, furrowing their brows, and staring downward, in a kind of panic, at the lady's mid-section. The ballerina, meanwhile, has the burden of having to distract the audience from all of this by looking especially serene and confident.

[innopac]

Ilyaballet is uploading a wonderful series of videos:

"Pas de duex technique from Vaganova Ballet Academy.
Back in the middle of XX century, in Leningrad USSR, in Vaganova ballet school, it was one of the greatest ballet Pas de deux teachers - SEREBRIANIKOV. He wrote a book about partnering in ballet, and this film was his idea."

[dirac]

Wonderful clip. Thanks, innopac, for posting it and reviving this interesting thread.

[SanderO]

Thank you for posting this incredible video. What impressed me (as an architect) is how in successful partner the forces of movement of the two dancers is so well integrated - so they smoothly pass from a two dancers moving with their own collection of forces into a couple where the forces combine seamlessly and they for that period when they are "connected" appear as "one dancer/collection of forces".  So when the male partner lifts he takes her upward movement and adds to it (height) in a perfectly fluid manner. When he takes over it is no longer the force of her legs which propels her upward, but his arms. This is incredible timing in applying the correct force to create a completely seamless and fluid motion.  

What amazes me is how the males partner does this.  I suppose by holder her from the beginning of the jump he is aware of her forces and intuitively takes over in that seamless manner.  And of course the jump comes to a peak at the top when it stops and reverse down (gravity).  So the motion is not even linear, but more sinusoidal... no motion > slow > faster > slow > stop.  But the partnering is more complex than lifts and so this ability of the two to trade off force and do it so seamlessly is indeed an art and a science.

What a beautiful lesson!

[innopac]

From an interview on DanceViewTimes with Robert Fairchild by Michael Popkin, February 23, 2012

DanceView:  Can you talk about what goes into good partnering?

Fairchild:  It’s all coordination.  Because there are certain lifts that you wouldn’t think would be a problem at all, but if you don’t have the coordination, it won’t happen.  So you’re going for a lift, but if she pliés before you’re ready, then it’s no good.  You have to plié with her, and lift her just at the moment her foot is pushing off the floor, with your hands going up at the same time as her body, and so that it’s timed as perfectly, and is as easy as can be.  But also the girl has to let the guy do it.  Which is really hard for some girls to do, because they might get stuck with a bad partner early on and learn to do it themselves; because originally that’s what they needed to do for the show.  So it’s a challenge sometimes and it’s funny to say to your partner, “Stop doing anything here, you need to let me move you,” and mainly the guy is in charge.  He’s the driving force.  And if the girl’s responsive to that, then ideally you’re going to find the coordination.

http://danceviewtimes.typepad.com/michael_popkin/2013/01/robert-fairchild-im-doing-this-with-everybody-and-its-not-all-about-me-new-york-city-ballets-young-s.html

[Helene]

innopac, quoting Robert Fairchild, on 05 February 2013 - 11:12 AM, said:

So you’re going for a lift, but if she pliés before you’re ready, then it’s no good.  You have to plié with her, and lift her just at the moment her foot is pushing off the floor, with your hands going up at the same time as her body, and so that it’s timed as perfectly, and is as easy as can be.  But also the girl has to let the guy do it.  Which is really hard for some girls to do, because they might get stuck with a bad partner early on and learn to do it themselves; because originally that’s what they needed to do for the show.  So it’s a challenge sometimes and it’s funny to say to your partner, “Stop doing anything here, you need to let me move you,” and mainly the guy is in charge.  He’s the driving force.  And if the girl’s responsive to that, then ideally you’re going to find the coordination.

From Joseph Mazo's "Dance is a Contact Sport," (pp. 136-7) where he describes a rehearsal where Jacques d'Amboise and Melissa Hayden's shoulder sit lift doesn't start out so well:

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The difficulty, Jacques says, is that Milly is working too hard.  She is jumping too strongly, anticipating the lift, and once up, she is anticipating the action of sitting on his shoulder.  Don't do so much," he tells her.  "Just spring into attitude on pointe as I loft you, don't try to get yourself up or to sit."  They try it again.  Melissa is still trying to perch on his shoulder.  "You don't have to sit," Jacques' harsh voice soothes, "Just let me put you there.  Just spring into attitude."  As she does, he adjusts his hands at her waist, trying her for balance the way a pinch hitter might test a new bat.  "That's fine," he crocks.  "Let's do it again."  She springs onto her points, nothing more, and as Jacques continues the lift, she flies to his shoulder like a pet bird.

The problem was one of balance--Milly was trying to set herself for the shoulder sit, not realizing the she already was in position.   That sort of thing is hard to judge while you are being carried through the air.  If you think too much about it, dancers say, it won't work; if you let your body do the thinking, there will be no problem.

They do the lift a few more times, and with each repetition, Milly becomes more sure of herself.  She has found her old economy of movement again.  Her spring uses exactly the amount of energy needed to initiate the lift, then she holds herself erect, keeping her muscles firm for Jacques grip, and lets him finish the job she began.

Balanchine, standing with his hands in his pockets, shoes the exhilaration of the lift with an upward thrust of his own torso.  "That's RIGHT," he crows.  "That's RIGHT."

Generations of male dancers were likely nodding when they read this.  I love that Mazo describes it as "economy of movement."

[sandik]

Thanks for bringing this thread back -- I've been thinking about trust and partnering this weekend, since seeing a last-minute substitution at Pacific Northwest Ballet.  The part (Benvolio in Jean-Christophe Maillot's Romeo et Juliette) includes a significant amount of male/male partnering, in the middle of some complex traffic patterns, so there are multiple possibilities for glitches.  PNB only had one dancer prepped for the role, and when he injured himself a couple hours before performance, they really had to scramble.  They were able to teach a short scene to one of their corps members, but the miracle was that a group from the Monte Carlo company were coming to town, and one of them knew the part -- they managed to get him from the airport and into a costume in time for the second scene and he just went on, without any rehearsal at all.  He didn't really know anyone in the company as far as I know, but he knew the work -- he's danced it for years.  So he trusted the choreography, and that extended into the partnering.  The only twitching I could see was in a few piece of stage business -- there didn't seem to be any trouble in the complex physical interactions.  I'm still shaking my head.

[dirac]

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.  But also the girl has to let the guy do it.  Which is really hard for some girls to do, because they might get stuck with a bad partner early on and learn to do it themselves; because originally that’s what they needed to do for the show.  So it’s a challenge sometimes and it’s funny to say to your partner, “Stop doing anything here, you need to let me move you,” and mainly the guy is in charge.  He’s the driving force.  And if the girl’s responsive to that, then ideally you’re going to find the coordination.

Yes, thank you for reviving this thread, innopac.

Arthur Mitchell has said something similar about the partnering in Agon - it works better if the woman allows herself to be manipulated, and as he also observed, today's women can have more trouble with that. Of course, the reverse can also obtain. In the memoirs of Peter Martins and Robert La Fosse, both men complain about a small ballerina who wouldn't help with lifts. It made for a nice airy effect but it was hell on a fellow's back.

[Helene]

La Fosse also said that the women of NYCB were a lot more independent (generally) in PDD  than the women of ABT.

[canbelto]

Gelsey Kirkland and Alicia Markova were two tiny ballerinas that were known as difficult to lift because in order to maintain the weightless illusion both refused to "push up" during a lift and wanted to make it seem like the male could just naturally lift them as if they were paper.

[sandik]

dirac, on 17 February 2013 - 06:22 AM, said:

Arthur Mitchell has said something similar about the partnering in Agon - it works better if the woman allows herself to be manipulated, and as he also observed, today's women can have more trouble with that.

I remember reading something a few years ago, possibly from Agnes deMille or one of her contemporaries, talking about how strong women had to be at the time since there were so few skilled male partners -- I think it was deMille, in her description of making Rodeo and working with well-trained men.  It was a revelation to actually get lifted, rather than to jump and make it look like the man was doing the work.