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#76 bart

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Posted 23 September 2007 - 11:36 AM

I find 'Mayerling' boring and also hate it.


Me too, and I'm usually a huge fan of MacMillan's ballets - his Romeo and Juliet, and Manon usually have me in tears by the end.

I think that Mayerling is trying to tell too convoluted a story, with too many people having too many affairs, and what is it with the opera singer in the middle?

Mayerling is one of those ballets that fascinates for one viewing only.

As I watched it I was almost transfixed by the decisions made by the choreographer and stagers -- wondering why? how? why emphasize that? why is this part so long? why is this part being neglected? Thinking: is this sleaze, or an accurate depiction of late 19th-century Middle European decadance? What are we being encouraged to FEEL about these characters and their situations?

When it was over, I realized I had no wish to see it again, not even with alternate casts. And I've stuck to that so far.

as Mme. Armfeldt sings in A Little Night Music:

Once, yes, once for a lark.
Twice, though, loses the spark
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#77 carbro

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Posted 23 September 2007 - 02:26 PM

:smilie_mondieu:

as Mme. Armfeldt sings in A Little Night Music:

Once, yes, once for a lark.
Twice, though, loses the spark
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Madonna in "The Seven Percent Solution"? :unsure:

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Posted 23 September 2007 - 05:01 PM

Thinking: is this sleaze, or an accurate depiction of late 19th-century Middle European decadance?


It is unquestionably sleaze! I know of many ballets I find boring, and some have been put here. Frankly, I don't find 'Six Antique Epigraphs' as boring as Mel does, I don't know how much it has to do with the Debussy music, which is so divine. But I actively loathe 'Mayerling', more than any ballet I've ever seen by a major choreographer, both for reasons I've written in other threads and alos for the excellent reasons written by people here. (I liked it considerably less than even Bart and Mme. Armfeldt...) What is done to the Liszt is musically criminal, and the plot is completely repulsive, not to mention seeming to weigh a ton.

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Posted 23 September 2007 - 06:21 PM

Frankly, I don't find 'Six Antique Epigraphs' as boring as Mel does, I don't know how much it has to do with the Debussy music, which is so divine. But I actively loathe 'Mayerling', more than any ballet I've ever seen by a major choreographer, both for reasons I've written in other threads and alos for the excellent reasons written by people here. (I liked it considerably less than even Bart and Mme. Armfeldt...) What is done to the Liszt is musically criminal, and the plot is completely repulsive, not to mention seeming to weigh a ton.

Fine, but does that qualify as boring? Seems to me not. If this offends you and that offends you, at least you are engaged. When I'm bored, I just check out. In the grand scheme of things, I think it's better to be offended. At least the choreographer, misguided as s/he may be, is trying to do something. There's so much ballet out there these days where, if there is any artistic purpose, any inspiration, any single idea, it is too obscure to identify. That's boring.

Robbins "Antique Epigraphs" is pretty boring, but his real snoozer is his Two and Three Part Inventions, which even with such thrilling dancers as Bouder and TAngle, left my eyelids struggling against gravity.

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Posted 23 September 2007 - 06:54 PM

[Fine, but does that qualify as boring? Seems to me not. If this offends you and that offends you, at least you are engaged.


Oh, dear, I just don't know how to get my point across, je crois...I can only say that 'Mayerling' is both offensive and extremely boring. Mr. Mukhamedov got me through the tape, I never think he is boring, and felt fortunate that I hadn't gone out to a real performance of it...Maybe the endless but uninteresting plot twists were what made it boring, but the barroom scene with the sped-up 33 LP to 78 'mephisto waltz' was horrifying, yet also boring... of course, you have a good point about this in general, and I know a lot of offensive things that are not boring. Let me see if I can think of a ballet....off-hand, most ballets that are truly offensive are also boring, like Sleeping Beauty on Ice Skates. I'll admit ballet by its nature is not that often as overtly offensive as are other arts quite often, I think it is usually that they are offensive if they do something gross with the music. I'll get back to you when I have found something truly offensive but fascinating!

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Posted 23 September 2007 - 07:13 PM

I'll get back to you when I have found something truly offensive but fascinating!


Eifman, sometimes; usually, though, he's just boring too.

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Posted 23 September 2007 - 07:58 PM

I'll get back to you when I have found something truly offensive but fascinating!


Well, with no doubt, many things (arts included) that are usually considered "offensive" by the current standarts and/or "good taste", usually are truly fascinating, aren't they..? :smilie_mondieu: so let's blame human nature.(For some reason, it just came to my mind this other thread about guilty pleasures/pop culture, or something like that) Now, i also understand that things, (ballet included) can have a variety of "offensives" adjectives: offensively long (lots of examples provided in this thread), offensively short, (which would be a good thing if it seems that you never get enough of it -e.g the female variation of TPDD in my case-)and yes, in a very personal way, offensively boring, (closely linked with offensively long)...

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Posted 23 September 2007 - 08:05 PM

and yes, in a very personal way, offensively boring, (closely linked with offensively long)...


Oh, good heavens, yes, boredom is so readily available that we forget how offensive it is...I think carbro is trying to direct us to something that is truly so gross but that we will actually go back for more of its peculiarly disgusting fascination, and I find that easier with television and movies, of which there are literally hordes of items available.

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Posted 23 September 2007 - 08:08 PM

I wakened some deep subconscious thought that was better left alone, but I do remember the most boring ballet I've ever seen, and it wasn't even Manon: It was John Neumeier's Mahler's Third Symphony which I saw performed by the Hamburg Ballet at BAM. Unfortunately, I was in the middle of a row with a friend, and we hadn't developed a silent way of coordinating our escape.

If I remember correctly, I went to see the performance because Gina Gail Hyatt was in the Company, and I had seen her dance in the documentary made about the 1982 Jackson International Ballet Competition where she won Gold in the Junior Division, beating out Katherine Healy and two other men.

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Posted 23 September 2007 - 08:08 PM

Usually dancers,and ballet fans do not usually find boring a ballet.

Well, apparently we certainly do, ..., wow!, it's amazing how the most succesful-longest running topic at present time (84 posts and counting) in a ballet-loving site is about boring ballets matters, more appropiate perhaps for something like www.Ihateballet.com (fictional site, for the record)... so talk about contradictions as a part of human nature..! :smilie_mondieu:

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Posted 24 September 2007 - 04:54 AM

Well, apparently we certainly do, ..., wow!, it's amazing how the most succesful-longest running topic at present time (84 posts and counting) in a ballet-loving site is about boring ballets matters, more appropiate perhaps for something like www.Ihateballet.com (fictional site, for the record)... so talk about contradictions as a part of human nature..! :smilie_mondieu:


It's the same reason why the news on tv are mainly about bad facts happened...there's not much to say if something is likeable,nice and beautiful....;-)and dancers(and co.)are deemed to be very fussy and damn critical.Isn't it so?go on posting...:unsure:

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Posted 24 September 2007 - 06:24 AM

Fine, but does that qualify as boring? Seems to me not. If this offends you and that offends you, at least you are engaged.

I agree with this, to a point. However, you can be "engaged" and even fascinated -- as I was in Mayerling -- for all the wrong reasons. It was like an impenetrable puzzle -- what can they think they are doing? what will they do next?. The fascination was in focusing on the puzzle as it unfolded. Not in trying to solve the puzzle by subsequent visits.

"Boredom" is indeed a complex experience. I found myself trapped Saturday night in a production of The Fantasticks, which I hadn't seen in decades. First act, charming enough. Then I remembered .. there was a second act coming up. :smilie_mondieu: A secomd act which, as I remembered, was stupefyingly obvious and derivative. We had no choice except to remain. I was quite depressed during the intermission, I can tell you.

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Posted 24 September 2007 - 08:26 AM

Well, apparently we certainly do, ..., wow!, it's amazing how the most succesful-longest running topic at present time (84 posts and counting) in a ballet-loving site is about boring ballets matters, more appropiate perhaps for something like www.Ihateballet.com (fictional site, for the record)... so talk about contradictions as a part of human nature..! :smilie_mondieu:


It's the same reason why the news on tv are mainly about bad facts happened...there's not much to say if something is likeable,nice and beautiful....;-)and dancers(and co.)are deemed to be very fussy and damn critical.Isn't it so?go on posting...:unsure:


But, even if the single post is longer, the different posts and threads added together that are enthusiastic about dance and dancers end up swamping the 'negative' post. The critical posts are necessary, but i would disagree that this is like the news, because the 'positive' news on newscasts and in newspapers are not even supposed to be the main thing, they are features and diversions. There was a film made back as far as the early 60's, can't remember the name, French though, that was about the attempt to turn all news into 'good news' and the results, which might seem to be admirable at the outset, were disastrous. But this forum obviously spends a lot more time celebrating dance than it does lamenting it, so that even the ones that are obviously for doing some dishing are not like newspapers with only the lastest events--threads are revived at BT from many years back and continued, which goes along with the sense of tradition. That the 'Boring Ballet' got this many hits and comments is probably purely coincidental with who picked it up and revived it, and then it's also novel and an important matter too, so that people don't get too stiff and reverential: Like, say, it was good for some people on the thread to say they find 'Diamonds' boring, so they are not forced to be in an artificial state of awe even about one of Balanchine's most quintessential and ultimate works. It made me think that on one level I probably find it boring too, since I don't really want to see it with anybody but the original--although that could change.

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Posted 24 September 2007 - 05:21 PM

it's also novel and an important matter too, so that people don't get too stiff and reverential: Like, say, it was good for some people on the thread to say they find 'Diamonds' boring, so they are not forced to be in an artificial state of awe even about one of Balanchine's most quintessential and ultimate works


This is so true, papeetepatrick...actually i must confess that it was after reading some of the posts that i was encouraged to take my pick on the boredom-in-ballet subject and accept that my all time most boring work was one of the trademarks of my all time beloved and favorite ballerina...

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Posted 24 September 2007 - 06:46 PM

I wakened some deep subconscious thought that was better left alone, but I do remember the most boring ballet I've ever seen, and it wasn't even Manon: It was John Neumeier's Mahler's Third Symphony which I saw performed by the Hamburg Ballet at BAM. Unfortunately, I was in the middle of a row with a friend, and we hadn't developed a silent way of coordinating our escape.


I hope it wasn't because of the music, which is one of my favorite Mahler symphonies.

(When I first read your post I took "row" to mean "quarrel," and I wondered how that fit in. I'm okay now.)

In case it hasn't been mentioned yet, Musagète by Boris Eifman (sp?) was a huge bore for me.


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