What a fascinating, varied group of people we find on BT!
. . . as a former administrator of parisian cemeteries . . .
Paris/Ballet questionMontmartre Cimetiere
Posted 12 May 2007 - 09:05 AM
Posted 12 May 2007 - 02:56 PM
Well, congrats to Pierre Lacotte and others, because as a former administrator of parisian cemeteries I know very well how it's difficult to get to have the location of someone's grave on the maps. Who did handle the request ?
I don't know specifically, but I know that the Registrar of Vital Statistics and the Academie Française were active in the matter. As late as 1990, the Registrar for Marseilles had no idea that any person named "Marie Taglioni" had EVER lived or died there! The office was, however, aware of a certain "Comtesse Gilbert de Voisins", but had no idea of what she did other than be a countess! You just have to admire bureaucracy, don't you?
Posted 12 May 2007 - 06:01 PM
Pere Lachaise is a very beautiful cemetery, but it can be difficult to locate specific graves, even with a map. It's well worth a visit but I recommend that you go early in the morning to avoid the midday sun. It also gets more and more crowded as it gets later in the day. And wear comfortable shoes - that's really important!!
Posted 13 May 2007 - 01:07 AM
You just have to admire bureaucracy, don't you?
Well I don't know the City of Marseilles' administration but I can tell you the city of Paris' is terribly bureaucratic
Posted 13 May 2007 - 03:46 AM
Posted 13 May 2007 - 04:47 AM
I was very strict on that policy, families can (and sometines do!) intend lawsuits against administration. Nevertheless, you can't control everything from your office, and often if you go to the offices of the cemeteries (there are 19 in Paris) and ask for a particular grave, you may be told the answer. I don't know how strict is their policy now. I was amazed to see how it's easy to get infos from American cemeteries !
Posted 13 May 2007 - 05:05 AM
Posted 13 May 2007 - 05:10 AM
Well, for the ones who would be tempted to get infos from french cemeteries, I have to warn you that french legislation related to secret of private life doesn't allow those who aren't "tenant in common" of the plot to get some infos. The only thing they can do is to go in the cemetery, try to find the grave and see what's written on.
I appreciate your comments, cygneblanc.
We had elaborate handwritten notes, several years ago, from someone who had visited the gravesite of
Olga Preobrajenskaya at Montmartre cemetary. After failing to find it during our visit, we went to the office
and asked. The person told us she could give us the location only if we provided the exact year of death,
because that's how names are listed.
We knew approximately but not exactly.
We never found the gravesite, although saw many others, including Nijinsky's, during our search.
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Posted 14 May 2007 - 01:00 AM
Excel doesn't work for those things since there are about 7 000 000 000 bodies in parisan cemeteries There is a special sofware developped especially. Some names are already computarized and the full thing should be finished in 10 years !
Err, could you explain why there are so many bodies ? 7 *billion* sounds so enormous, compared to the world population...
Posted 14 May 2007 - 01:48 AM
Well, there are a lot explanations. I won't enter into details very much because the thread will become gruesome, but you can do a lot of things with a single plot. Cremation until a few years ago wasn't usual and it was thought in the 19th and 20th that it was important to have a big plot with a deep vault and an impressive monument.
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