identifying training differencesVaganova, Cecchetti, and Mrs. Dinkle
Posted 05 June 2005 - 08:32 PM
For example, consider the Rose Adagio from Sleeping Beauty being performed in different styles. I'd assume that an experienced eye would perceive the different styles but what about the unexperienced eye. A novice would recognize a yellow vs a pink tutu. Would there be anything at an artistic level that would identify a Cecchetti style?
Posted 05 June 2005 - 10:51 PM
Posted 06 June 2005 - 02:39 PM
Posted 06 June 2005 - 04:49 PM
Posted 07 June 2005 - 03:56 PM
Even during Baryshnikov's russification of ABT's style, Cynthia Harvey continued to show her Cecchetti roots.
I also believe that Makarova's Kirovian training was evident throughout her career, seen in the combination of strength and flexibility of the back, the carriage of the arms. She and Kolpakova are of that last generation that, IMO, exemplified the Vaganova school at its purest and best.
At NYCB, the only dancer I can think of in the past 30 years (although I did not have the eye for all of that time) who suggests pre-SAB Cecchetti schooling would be Gen Horiuchi, whose incredibly centered turns were the giveaway. Doesn't mean that NYCB rejects all Cecchetti-trained dancers, just that the qualities which identify them to me are superseded by the choreography.
Posted 07 June 2005 - 07:14 PM
Posted 07 June 2005 - 11:15 PM
carbro, on Jun 7 2005, 04:56 PM, said:
Posted 03 March 2007 - 11:02 PM
A Cecchetti trained dancer has longer thigh muscles whereas dancers trained in the Vagonova system tend to be more bulkier. Russians have amazing backs b/c of their emphasis on p.d.b.
and I have heard that companies are looking more towards Cecchetti-trained dancers b/c they are able to adapt to any style or choreography and b/c they have learned placement of the body.
Posted 04 March 2007 - 04:18 AM
Your comment regarding job placement and Cecchetti trained dancers is unfounded and hearsay. Well-trained dancers all have a better shot at obtaining work. It is not a matter of one school of thought being more prevalent.
Posted 04 March 2007 - 11:26 AM
Your comment regrading job placement and Cecchetti trained dancers is unfounded and hearsay. Well-trained dancers all have a better shot at obtaining work. It is not a matter of one school of thought being more prevalent.
I was just told by a teacher this way due to the certain excercises each method has. In Cecchetti, the combinations are simple and slow, allowing placement to be obtained. This may have resulted in longer looking muscles ?
I was thinking more on the line of emphasis on certain aspects will dictate the overall result. If, ex. POB, stresses feet, their feet will 'pop' out, but not saying anywhere else someone's won't.
If two well-trained dancers are juxtaposed and come from a Vag. and Cecc. school, you'll be able to tell which one is which IMO first from the way they are placing themselves/their weight.
yes, I do agree on any dancer has a shot at jobs, esp. if well trained, and it all does depend on where. I wasn't saying that they're only picking Cecc. trained dancers. I had just remembered a discussion at a Cecc. Summer Int. w/ Kirk Peterson where someone pointed out that if one dancer is good technically but has trouble w/ versatility b/c of structured classes and another has placement but not too much tech, the one more versatile will dominate if willing to learn.
Bue I know this is not true everywhere in many instances. I was just trying to say what I have heard been discussed. I didn't mean to take it this way, just wanted to show how different the training can be in many ways.
Posted 04 March 2007 - 12:00 PM
Posted 04 March 2007 - 12:07 PM
I wasn't saying that one is better. I totally understand what both of you are saying, and respect it at that, and just wanted to say what my little mind has heard and viewed. Sorry for taking this the wrong way. I wasn't trying to be opinionated, but I will watch what I say and be quiet now!
Posted 04 March 2007 - 08:41 PM
Anyone ready to go down in flames?
Posted 05 March 2007 - 03:53 PM
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