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Figure Skating: Skate AmericaSascha Cohen


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#46 mom2

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Posted 03 November 2003 - 01:16 PM

Actually, from the Globe and Mail this morning, the Russian ice dance pair was Tatania Navka and Roman Kostomarov. The article goes on to explain a bit about the new marking system and how things unfolded yesterday at the hershey Centre. Navka and Kostomarov finished first, Bulgarians Denkova and Staviyski were second, and Canada's Dubreuil and Lauzon were third. It's interesting to note that when you look at the level of difficulty (out of 3) in 13 elements, the Russians had ones in six elements, while the Canadians had threes in EIGHT elements. Sometimes simplicity is good, I suppose...and this was one of the things I enjoyed about the Russians.

Typically I would say that the Canadians also have good line. In this performance the Russians just stood out more. Perhaps it was the costumes, which on Dubreuil and Lauzon I found quite busy; perhaps it was the "business" of the Canadian's choreography...or perhaps this Russian couple is just unbelievably exceptional in this regard.

That being said, it's hard NOT to be incredibly proud of the Canadians with their third place finish.

#47 Susanne

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Posted 03 November 2003 - 02:15 PM

Then today I saw a bit of the dance competition from Skate Canada. The top Russian couple (whose names escape me at the moment) had the most incredibly wonderful line...AND the feet were pointed.

I think that part of the explanation to that is the ice-dancing boots are cut-much lower than the single skates (pair skates) as they don't do jumps and don't need the support. But the I didn't see the performance so I cannot say how flexed their feet were.

And also the lines in ice-dance is generally better than lines of pair/single skaters just because ice-dancing is dancing and the other have more emphasize in jumping and synchronised spins and lifts.

Of course the top single and pair skaters have pointed feet as well as good lines! (Like Bereshnaya & Sikarluidze)

#48 mom2

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Posted 03 November 2003 - 02:46 PM

That's an interesting fact about the boots! Of course, I never knew that!

Thank you!

#49 tutu14

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Posted 03 November 2003 - 03:33 PM

I missed most of Skate Canada.....only saw the men's short and the pairs short. My husband and son went Thursday night and saw the same events but more than what they showed on TV. They also went for the practices on Saturday. I would have liked to see more of it but I guess we are at the mercy of the TV stations. At least we are seeing it almost live.(Husband and son left at end of men's short and arrived home in time to see it on TV)
My son says the dance boots are cut lower for the deep knee bends though now-a-days they are not a lot lower than most of the freestyle boots. All skaters are told to point their toes(over and over again:rolleyes: ).....it helps with the jumps as well as improving the line.
3rd place is a good finish for the Canadians. There were some impressive skates from some of the young Canadian skaters. In the pairs....Putnam and Wirtz are going to be the team to watch in the next few years. I saw them at sectionals a year ago when they were a brand new team and couldn't believe the chemistry between them....very exciting to watch.
It should be a good season.

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Posted 03 November 2003 - 04:04 PM

Paul, to help you (possibly) identify the Russian couple you saw about 10 years ago, here is a link to photos of the Protopopovs, who were at the peak of their competitive years in the late 60s, but had (and maybe still have?) a very long exhibition career.

Two very popular Russian couples who were competing at that time were Klimova and Ponomarenko and Usova and Platov. Klimova (she of the voluminous red hair) had longer hair in the days before these photos were taken.

#51 Susanne

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Posted 04 November 2003 - 12:33 AM

Hmm I just wanted to clarify that the Protopopovs are pair skaters while Kimova/Ponomarenko and Usova/Zhulin were competing in ice dancing in the early 90's. The Protopopovs were already pro at that time. I wasn't until later that Usova teamed up with Platov (who used to compete with Gritchuk until late 90's) as pros.

Zhulin is now coaching/coreographing. Last season he was coaching Tatiana Navka and her partner. (Who were mentioned here before)

Are you following me :sweating:

In the 90's there were also another very lyrical Russian couple that did pairs skating: Natalia Muskitienok (spelling?) /Dimitriev. Dimitriev continued the amateur skating later and won the Olympic gold with Kazakova (in 1998?? don't remember)

Musikteinok/Dimitriev used to compete against Brasseur/Eisler (Canadians)

I recently saw an old video-tape of the Muskitienok/Dimitriev performance from 1990 or 1991 and it was a breathtaking performance. That was lyrical....

#52 djb

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Posted 04 November 2003 - 09:01 AM

I mentioned the ice dancers because I wasn't sure whether Paul had seen pairs. He mentioned a death spiral, but I was not aware that a death spiral is ever done in second position, so I thought he might have been describing something some ice dancers had done.

#53 Helene

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Posted 04 November 2003 - 12:52 PM

Zhulin is now coaching/coreographing. Last season he was coaching Tatiana Navka and her partner. (Who were mentioned here before)

Zhulin is not only coaching and choreographing for his wife, Tatiana Navka, and her dance partner Roman Kostomarov, but he's also coaching Men's singles skaters Alexander Abt and Vakhtang Murvanidze, both very artistic skaters. Navka and Kostomarov just won Skate Canada, beating last year's European silver and World bronze medallists, Albena Denkova and Maxim Staviyski.

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Posted 08 November 2003 - 04:55 PM

Just had to throw in a few points here since skating is my "thing" (job, hobby, passion, you get the idea)

- Ice dance boots are cut down lower but then we usually put this rubber material at the back of the skate to replace what we cut off. But cuting down your boot is not always the answer to pointed toes. Sasha Cohen has normal sized boots at the back and she has the best toe point in the business (granted, toe point in skating and "good" toe point are very seperate things ;) )

- Skaters are getting more and more injured these days because of the increased hours that they practice and the amount of pounding that thier body takes. Sasha was out for half a season with a very bad back. I believe she had stress fractures. Tara Lipinski has such bad hips that she has basically retired from skating all together. She had a hip surgery a year after the Olympics in 98 (bascially a hip replacement) and just last year had surgery on the other hip (same thing). I don't think we'll see her back out there again. Her body just can't handle it anymore.

Alexei Yagudin also just retired from amateur skating (he did his farewell at Skate Canada... the Russin federation was VERY unhappy about the fact that he didn his farewell in Canada and not Russia) Such a loss, but again, he had to retire because of injuries.

- Sarah Hughes has quit skating and is now at Yale, I doubt that we will even see her on the professional tours for the next few years, if ever. Not becasue of injury, but just becasue she's ready to move on.

-(there were more things I wanted to put my two cents in about, but I've forgotten what my so very very important thoughts were, lol)

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#55 Funny Face

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Posted 08 November 2003 - 07:16 PM

Interesting comments. I'd always wondered about Tara Lipinski's public statement about retiring from amateur competition because she wanted to spend more time with her father from whom she'd been separated during much of her training. Then, she proceeded to tour throughout the U.S. as a professional (close to her father?). When the hip story came out, it made sense.

There have been far too many injuries in recent years for these to be flukes. Elvis also suffering so much and unable to proceed as planned in his career. I recall watching Kurt Browning getting a massage back stage, in obvious agony, and saying that the hip that was being worked on wasn't even the "bad" one. Granted, he is somewhat older than the others, but you still have to wonder what is going on.

Sarah Hughes looked considerably heavier the last time I saw her in competition. It interfered with her line, for me, anyway.

Maybe Kwan's not getting into triple triple combos, and trying to maintain a life in college and with her personal relationship, has kept her in good stead.

I wish Mr. Button could/would visit this board, esp. since he was the first to land a triple in competition. He could shed some additional light on the injury problems, I'm sure.

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Posted 08 November 2003 - 09:41 PM

Sorry, I just edited this out -- I was duplicating something I said on an earlier post. :clapping:


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